Catholics Deny Christ

Your theology is quite clear in words, and contradictory in action. The Father never gave her such powers, your theology did.

~Lorelei

 

Your theology is quite clear in words, and contradictory in action. The Father never gave her such powers, your theology did.

~Lorelei </font>[/QUOTE]Since God's Word is not limited to written documents, and you only hold to those written documents to show revealed Truth, I'm not really sure you are one to say what God does and does not do, or rather, can or cannot do. Being God, frankly, He does whatever He wishes according to His perfect will. Unless you, yourself, are perfectly attuned to His will, I question you telling me what He does not do.

God bless,

Grant

 

As we question/doubt what you say he does do.

And unfortunately for your argument, God's revealed word to us is all in print. The Holy Spirit speaks in us, but God's word is a complete work. At least the stuff he wants us to know.

 

Curtis

"And unfortunately for your argument, God's revealed word to us is all in print . "

Prove it.

 

Nope. You show me something else, not contained in the Bible, that claims to be inspired scripture.

 

Bro. Curtis, do you not defeat your own argument? You say "God's revealed word to us is all in print" and "God's word is a complete work. At least the stuff he wants us to know" - yet how do you know this, since God's word in print does not say this? If what you are saying is true, then that truth came from somewhere *outside* of that written work. You are doing the same thing you are accusing others of.

 

Doesn't the Koran make that claim?

The book of Mormon?

Also, is a claim to be inspired Scripture all that you require to accept it as such?

 

Haven't read either one of them.

But I trust that God wouldn't violate his own word.

Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Psalms 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

No room for human doctrine. No need to add.

 

You are dancing around the question.

You made the claim that all of God's revelation is written down.

Why don't you prove it from God's written revelation?

BTW, you should also show from God's written revelation exactly what is God's written revelation too.

 

Doesn't the Koran make that claim?

The book of Mormon?

Also, is a claim to be inspired Scripture all that you require to accept it as such? </font>[/QUOTE]Don't recall if I have ever heard the Koran 'speak'........

We don't know for sure if it is inspired. That is why we should weigh doctrines according to the balance of Scripture. If there is 17 lbs of support and only one passage against, then most likely it is true. If there is on the contrary a MOUNTAIN of 'no, don't do that' and a whole bunch of men saying 'yes, yes, do this' then, that same measure needs to be used to discern if something should be believed.

God Bless

 

AngelMom,

"Cuz 'co' means EQUAL."


You must be a city girl. Because growing up on the farm we had businesses called Co-ops. Which means that people were cooperating WITH eachother. Equal in that context would make no sense and saying it means equal means you think the Pope is either stupid or trying to pull something over on a bunch of stupid Catholics. That he thinks Mary is Equal with Jesus. He definitely does not. It is just wishful thinking of Protestants who want to disparage our sincerely held beliefs that makes co = equal no matter how many times it is explained to them.

Blessings.

 

Curtis,


"Nope. You show me something else, not contained in the Bible, that claims to be inspired scripture. "


Well your claim that the word of God is all in scripture is claimed by you to be inspired. Yet it is not written anywhere in scripture for one thing. By your statement above then you have declared this view to be false.

 

But you have no objections to the catholic church telling you and you have no proof that they are perfectly attuned to His will either. In fact, the practice of praying to Mary reveals that they are not.

But you believe otherwise, because they tell you to.


~Lorelei

 

We know the scriptures are from God because they not only claim to be so, they have been proven to be so.

God's word has been tested, all prophesies that have been fulfilled thus far have been accurate and though written by many authors, it stands in unison rather than contrary to each other.

If you could ever prove it wrong, then it would not be considered inspired any longer.

Though the Koran claims to be from God it contradicts the words that have been tried and tested.

~Lorelei

 

"1 Tim 2:5
or there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
NIV"

Lorelei:

Have you read any of the thread on Mary? I think you need to educate yourself about what the Catholics are claiming they teach in regard to asking for her prayers. I had it all wrong myself.

 

1. None of those verses say that God's word is "all in print".

2. This is not about "room for human doctrine". This is about God's doctrine in non-print form.

Is the doctrine that God's word is "all in print" God's truth, or your "human doctrine"? If it's God's truth, it must be in print according to your premise. Either that, or you are simply wrong. Which is it?

 

So this is what you are saying: What the Catholic Church teaches and what Catholics do are two different things, and each time, your attack comes down on what the Catholics do.

I assume this means that you agree with what the Catholic Church teaches. Otherwise, why not address our theological points rather than what you think individual Catholics might be doing with these beliefs.

God bless,

Grant

 

Because these are not matters of proof, but of faith. I have not tried to prove anything except that "THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE."

But you believe otherwise, because they tell you to.</font>[/QUOTE]Examine your words. Would the verse make sense if it read:

"there is one Jesus Christ and one mediator between Jesus Christ and men, the man Jesus Christ."

No. If Jesus Christ is the ultimate end, then the word mediator is used in vain. Instead, it says, "God," and you and I both know this is referring to God the Father, based on teachings scattered throughout the New Testament. Jesus is the bridge between man and the Father.

Therefore, you are incorrect in stating that the Catholic Church teaches that there is another mediator between God and the Father. We teach quite plainly that Jesus Christ is that ONE Mediator. The teachings on saintly intercession speak of intercessors between us and Jesus Christ. They are not go-betweens; they are reinforcements.

You can stop using that verse as it absolutely does not contradict our belief.

God bless,

Grant

 

Brother Curtis, you said:

Have you ever thought that the statement you are making here represents exactly "something else, not contained in the Bible, that claims to inspired scripture"

Just think about this for a moment.

Armando