bible = the tree of the knowledge of good and evil () Jesus = the tree of life

And people wonder why allegorizing the Scriptures is a bad thing.

 

Ransom,

Paul allegorized (see Gal.4:22-31), but valid allegory is verified by further divine revelation, i.e. the allegories in the OT are confirmed by NT revelation.

Michael,

So what is your problem with the Bible? You wouldn't know anything about Jesus without it. The "evil" in it is not promoted, but condemned.
Without it's revelation, your own ideas will become the ultimate authority.

In Christ,

Tim

 

The problem is that since Genesis 1-6 is factual - and true - trustworhty and correct - it is not an allegory - it is simply "true".

Offering the idea of the Bible as the "evil" in the garden - the tree that causes the fall of mankind - is not very "compelling".

In Christ,

Bob

 

I beg to differ.

If we didn't read books that warned us about his nature we wouldn't be able to reconize that it was him at work.

If we didn't have the written Word of God (CHRIST) then the Gospel would have been twisted even worse than it is.

Without the WORD of God we cannot LIVE.

What you seem to be missing is that Christ is BOTH the Tree of Life AND the WORD of God.

God Bless,
Kelly

 

In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God,and the word was God; John 1/1

It is impossible to separate God from His word,how can we possibly draw close to God with out it?????? usually statements like those presented by Michael 111 come from those opposed to God and His church.

 

The "objective" is usually to find some "other meaning" for the Genesis 1-8 account given by God of the first 1500 years of earth's history including the Creation and the Garden of Eden.

For those who "prefer" to believe in a "Fall from carnage, death, starvation, disease and extinction" as the "fall of man evolving from apes" - they need "another purpose" for what is written in Genesis 1-8 other than "conveying fact".

In Christ,

Bob

 

Okay, I'm curious: How does Michael111 supposedly have 9 posts, when I did a search on his member number for all forums, for all dates, and found only this posting?

Oh, and Michael, if you come back and find this, please be aware: The only "Word" that was in existence at the time of Adam and Eve was THE Word (John 1:1), so what you're proposing is either 1) The Bible was written before Moses, and therefore was written by God, who had no need to write it down unless He was going to give it to Adam to begin with; or 2) Jesus is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I think you've taken a bad presumption (trees are what paper is made from, so therefore that which is written on trees--i.e., the Bible--is the "tree") and applied it in a fashion which God and the Bible doesn't support.

 

If a tree falls in the forest...wait
If a man speaks in the forest and theres no women to hear him, is he still wrong?
Only kiddin girls

GEN.3 [22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

In the beginning of the book- Take of the tree of life and live forever

PROVERBS 13 [12] Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.[13]Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.[14] The law of the wise
is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

The middle of the book - tree of life - commandments and the law

REVELATION 22 [13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And the end of the book - They that have right to tree of life are they that keep the ten commandments of God.
This was written after Christ had risen and the WORD is still sayin the same thing. Hmmm... Maybe Jesus is the same today, yesterday and foreever.

Be a TREE OF LIFE planted by the river and bring forth fruit

PSALM 1 [1] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.[2] But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.[3] And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.[4] The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

EZEK.47 [6] And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.[7] Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.[8] Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.[9] And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.[12] And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.[13] Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.[14] And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

REV.22 [1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:[4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yup, HE just does not change.

 

If the Bible is poisoned and dangerous and you no longer read it or trust it, then how can you be sure there was a "tree of life" in the first place? Put another way, you got your interpretation *from the Bible* - if the source of your interpretation is poisoned, how can you even trust your interpretation??? You've created a nifty little paradox.

 

Michael111,

Are you serious?! Or, are you just pulling our chain?

 

And in this case one can judge your novel (as in new, but hardly block buster) ideas by their fruit-i-ness!

 

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Rom.3:23)
"There is none righteous, no not one." (Rom.3:10)
We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, and our iniquities, like the wind have taken us away (Isa.64:6)
There is not a just man on the earth who knows to do good and does it not (Eccl.7:20)
The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it? (Jer. 17:9)

Michael is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know his ways?
He is as an unclean thing whose "righteousnesses" are as filthy rags.
He cannot do good.
He is not righteous.
He is a sinner.

No need to worry Michael, it describes us all. But who is your leader? What guru do you follow?
DHK