Tongues

WELL.....

You should have checked.....

GOD said that NOT me.

Proverbs 28:9. He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

That is usually what "..." means.

I was quoting.

Who should you believe?

God Bless

 

Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at. I believe that at that moment in my life, when I had left the IFB Church for a more 'liberal' one that I also left my first Love. It was at that time that I slowly but surely lost my connection with God, and stopped praying and studying. By the time I started dating that guy, I was seeking worldly things (romance) rather than thinking of Godly things (marriage). I set myself up for temptation and when it came I was weakened.

Right! I didn't lose my Salvation until AFTER this happened and I COMPLETELY turned away from God, and blamed Him for the rape, and quit church all together. But at the moment of the rape I had taken myself out of fellowship with the Holy Spirit, thereby LOSING my gift of Discernment, and was walking in the flesh.

I would say that I agree in part. We are all followed around day and night by demons. They are called familiar spirits in the Bible. It is what King Saul saw when he went to the witch of Endor. It is what that John guy on TV is encountering when he is able to bring up correct information for people. Those demons are constantly putting temptation in our path. When we are driving and we see a sign for beer, we are tempted. Did the sign tempt us? Ever hear a little voice, "oooh beer sure would taste good, and you would get so relaxed and would be able to sleep" and then you hear "but if you buy beer your husband will want it, and you know he has a problem with that", and then you decide? This is SO what happens. There are demons and Angels with every person on this earth. Protecting, and tempting, respectively. I think that we, more often, blame ourselves for sin, rather than doing what Christ did and RECOGNIZE that it is SATAN doing the tempting, and that we CAN resist that temptation, sin nature and all, by using God's Word. In that senario I just gave, my combat text is "Do not put an occasion to stumble in your brothers way". And you know what happens? That temptation leaves.



It's a little like that!

LOL. Not at all. From your post I assumed that you were taking a jab. The way that you asked made me think that you were questioning the possibility of the experiences given. Now that I know what you believe based on the 2 questions I asked, I can say, that you were sincerely confused by the way that I told the story.

Let me clarify.

I had discernment from DEMONS that were IN ME before I went to the girls home. When I repented THERE they left me. When I received the gift from the Holy Spirit it was then from God, and I could now see the demons for who they were.

Have you ever read that verse that says 'when a spirit is gone out of a man he walks through dry places seeking rest and finding none and when he returns to his 'home' he finds it empty, swept, and garnished, and he goes and brings back demons worse than himself, and goes back into that person, and the state of that person is then worse than before'?

That is precisely what happened to me. When I gave my heart to Jesus for the first time, the demons left, but the problem was, that I didn't ever really commit myself totally to Him at that time. I went out of that home and rebelled again.

When the demons that were in me saw me do this, they went and got some of their friends and came back and when I was raped and basically cursed God, they came back into me, and I was at least ten times worse than before.

It wasn't until nearly 3 years later and a marriage down the tubes, my discharge from the AF for Homosexual admission (a lie to get out so I could leave my abusive, adulterous husband), and at least 10 other relationships, that I FELL ON MY FACE before God and TRULY submitted my heart to Him.

It was at that moment that the demons left me, and the Holy Spirit returned, and GOD was in control instead of me.

I have not since then, allowed myself to grieve Him. I know that it can be done through wilful disobedience. I have done it before.

He is my Fortress against the wicked forces in this world. They attack me from all sides.

They know that I have a Testimony of Jesus Christ, and that my testimony is already responsible for people coming to Christ.

They want to see me fall.

Don't be so fast to discount the devil and the evil spirits. They know their fate. They know what is going to happen to them. They want to take as many of us with them as they possibly can.

To get back at God.

This is my life verse(s):

Ephesians 6: 10. Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. (!!!!!)
14. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15. And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16. Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19. And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20. For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

I was telling my dad once how God had given me this gift, and so he gave me some books to read. They were like reading a story through my eyes. If you want a glimpse of what I experiece read This Present Darkness, and Peircing the Darkenss by Frank Peretti. He isn't the best author in the world or anything, and I don't know anything about him or his other work, but that series of books, are seriously like looking out through my eyes.

I hope that helped to clear up your questions!

God Bless

 

Thank you 3AM.

 

Singer, you're doing great! They *nailed* our Lord to a cross.

(All out of ignorance)

MEE

 

THREE ANGELS MOM....

Did you have a chance to view my previous responce? It is on page 19. It took two replys and its all for you.

You mentioned something about the sabbath...Well..I put a little bit of bible in there for that as well. Hope you read it or have read it?

God bless

 

Yes, I read them.

They were too long for me to quote and reply to, and I spent over an hour the other night replying and it wouldn't post and I lost the reply.

I see that as a sign.

I have decided to leave you in your ignorance.

I don't forsee this conversation leading to the renewing of your mind.

Therefore it would be unfruitful for this discussion to continue.

You can't change my mind about the Sabbath. NNE can.

I can't change yours about tongues. Only God can.

See ya around!

God Bless

 

Well Brian, from looking at your post, I am confused as to who was more lost for words, you or 3AngelsMom.

MEE

 

My final (or last) answer was given to you at the bottom of page 20, which you completely ignored. In fact you ignore most of the Scriptural answers that I present to you, and come back with unsubstantiated opinions. Back up your opinions with the Bible for a meaningful discussioon.
DHK

 

It was specifically written to the church at Corinth, but applicable to all the churches of the first century, until the canon of Scripture was complete with the completion of the Book of Revelation.

Yes, when that which is perfect is come, then that which is "in part" will end, completely end, be finished. That which was in part were those gifts mentioned in verse 8: prophecy, tongues, and (revelatory) knowledge. They have ceased; they are finished. The Corinthians knew in part: they had part of the Bible--the Old Testament. The prophesied in part. These revelatory sign gifts were given to give them the truth that we now have in the completed New Testament. It was given to them through supernatural spiritual gifts. When the New Testament was complete (perfected), then those gifts ceased, were done away.

"Then we will know..." When God's Word would be completed, he says, we would be looking in it as in a mirror. We would be able to see ourselves more clearly then ever before. James also uses the figure of the Word of God being likened to a mirror in James 1:22-25.

That which was done away were temporary spiritual gifts, some of which (like tongues) the Corinthians were using in a very carnal way. Eveything that we need to know about God is contained in the completed Word of God. Nothing is diminished.

The word "that" in the phrase "when that which is perfect," CANNOT refer to Jesus Christ. The pronoun "that" in the Greek is in the neuter gender. Christ is masculine, requiring a masculine pronoun. Thus, "that" must refer to something else other than Christ. Given the context, the Word of God, is the only viable option that "that which is perfect could be referring to.
The Old English word "perfect" (as well as the Greek word for perfect) simply means "complete." And that is what we have--the complete word of God. Christ in this context would not make sense. He never waas "incomplete," but the Word of God was without the New Testament. We now have the Complete Word of God, the Perfect Word of God.

No, this could never be true. One could never know as much as God--for then he would be God!! Only God is omniscient. When that which is perfect (complete) is come, then that which is in part (sign gifts) shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

These two verses must be taken together. They are in the context of spiritual gifts (especially tongues compared to the Word). Paul is not speaking of a child literally, but uses the word "child" here to refer to an immature Christian--a child in the faith, a young Christian.
When I was a child (a younger Christian), I spake as child (a younger, more immature Christian--speaking in tongues); I understood as a child (perhaps understanding as many immature Christians did, that tongues would make him more spiritual). But when I became a man (a mature Christian), I put away childish things (the immature spiritual gifts--the ones everyone seeks after). Notice in 1Cor.12:28 that tongues is listed last in a list of spiritual gifts, that are listed in order of importance.
Now we see through a glass darkly--again speaking of the Old Testament. It is dark because it is not complete with the New Testament as of yet.
"Now I know in part." Again Paul refers to the Old Testament. He knows in part.
"but then shall I know even as also I am known."
"But then," when the Word of God is complete, I shall know even as I am known. This does not mean that my knowledge will be perfected or anything like that. It means that when I look into the Word of God, the completed Word of God, I will be able to see myself more clearly than I ever have before. The Word of God, being like a mirror, will speak to me more directly then it ever did before. It is alive, powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword. The gospel is now more clearly presented than ever before. Your own sinful self is more clearly seen than ever before.

"There are a good many problems before the American people today, and before me as President, but I expect to find the solution of those problems just in the proportion that I am faithful in the study of the Word of God."
"I ask every man and woman... that from this day on they will realize that part of the destiny of America lies in their daily perusal of this great book."

-- Woodrow Wilson, 28th President
DHK

 

Singer,

Thanks for the honorable mention there

But the hubby is Kris.

God Bless

 

DK

My mild comment about this is ..... I suggest you are fitting speaking in tongues here as a childish thing as it suits your purpose? What other sorts of things might be able to be inserted here as well or instead of tongues?

I know I am probably treading old ground from this thread ... but are you saying speaking in tongues is ok when we are babes in Gods family? yet when we grow into mature christians, this doesn't happen any more?

Sorry if I am like a little dog annoyingly snapping at your heels when you are in the throes of deep serious dialogue with Singer

Quietly interested
Glorious

 

Wow, this thread has gone in many directions and now back to the "perfect" question.

Just my two cents, The greek doesn't seem to allow Jesus coming back as the proper interpretation of the "perfect" because of the feminine/masculine thing. Also, to say that the "perfect" is the Bible is better but I just think that God would have said that in another way. Like when the complete word of God comes or something. Plus I believe that the non-miraculous gifts still exist and it is hard to believe that if the "perfect" is the Bible because when the perfect comes some things are done away with. No, the best thing I have syudied on this is that the "perfect" is the "Kingdom age", Not when jesus comes but when he establishes his Kingdom and rule, for when he comes back there is still work to be done. There is more detail to this but I won't post it unless someone is interested. For what it is worth the Greek word for perfect also means "complete" or "mature". Remember, to keep on topic, no matter what, "tongues" ended on their own after God's judgement was exercised on Isreal around 70ad. Tongues are independent of the "perfect" coming issue. Tongues were a sign pointing to something and the something came and the sign went away.

In Love and truth,
Brian