Cults that are leading Christians away from the faith

Donbam commented:


posted September 11, 2003 05:51 PM

The problem with this first "apologetic" site, is that it's not apologetic at all. It's full of venom and hatred for anyone who does not agree with this woman's theology.

If you are going to defend the faith, then defend it. This site and woman digs into people's personal backgrounds, revels and posts e-mail's of people that dis-agree with her to belittle them in a public forum, and all with the permission of her husband.

The site is actually a gossip site.

As a Messianic Jew, I am involved with one of the ministries mentioned on the site, and have been for well over ten years. Not once, has this person ever contacted the ministry or those in leadership to discuss anything at all.
Despite the fact that she denies that she is teaching anyone, the fact is just the opposite.


Donbam,

I recognized your forum name from other forums, and after a little looking I realized who you are. It appears (please correct me if I am wrong) that you are *name and personal information deleted*. I now understand why you were angry, because you were listed as one of the faculty, and your name was mentioned throughout many of the articles. I read the whole series, and was dismayed to see that an organization that MBI had ties with had deceased (for some time) faculty listed on their current list of instructors, as well as the many other accusations. The articles that details these allegations can be found here:


http://www.seekgod.ca/mbiyeshiva.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/mbifaculty.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/saintjohn.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/dondavidhargis.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/marlin.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/hargis.htm


You had said that "This site and woman digs into people's personal backgrounds, revels and posts e-mail's of people that dis-agree with her to belittle them in a public forum, and all with the permission of her husband." The article below may have been the one that you were referring to. In this article the woman who owns the site is not be-littling anyone. She is merely defending herself against what appears to be a vicious attack that was done in an un-gentleman like fashion by a man who made some negative comments about the King James Bible, and who denied and mocked the Name of Jesus:

http://www.seekgod.ca/tommitchell.htm

On the same site I found an article about a man named Michael Rood, who claims to be a former Baptist, that appears to have moved away from sound doctrine. He now claims that he used to be a member of the "Baptist cult". Here is the link:

http://www.SeekGod.ca/revrood.htm

I also looked around the web and found many articles written by the leader of your organization MBI that had anti Christian overtones. I can see now why you would personally find the http:// www.seekGod.ca site offensive.I personally feel that the messianics should work on cleaning up the trash in their front yard before they try to criticize the trash in the Christian's back yards.

Also, *name deleted* is an Irish name and you are claiming to be a Messianic Jew. Is you mother Jewish? I only ask because lately I have met many claiming to be Messianic Jews, but as the discussion progressed it was revealed that there was no Jewish blood in their family.

It appears that the seek god site ( http://www.seekgod.ca ) is not a gossip site, but a sight that acts as a watchman for the Christian faith.It is a site that is highly rated on the Christian Top 1000 also. I can not say for sure that this woman is a Baptist, but her conservative theological stance does have some Baptist leanings.Since the things that Baptists believe goes against the teachings of your organization, I am curious why you would even want to post on Baptist board.

Below are some links to articles where the head of your organization explains his beliefs. Much of it is not very favorable to Christian beliefs:

This is an anti Christmas poem:

http://www.messianic.com/articles/xnomore.htm

An article about the "Translation Conspiracy:

http://www.messianic.com/articles/translation.htm

About Easter and paganism:

http://www.therefinersfire.org/first_fruits.htm

First Fruits and Easter are not the same

Every year some very sincere believers in Yeshua celebrate holidays that, although they seem to glorify G-d, are actually bad counterfeits originating in paganism and anti-Semitism.

One these is the Christian holiday of Easter. On one of the most important, joyous and holy of days, the day of the Resurrection of Messiah Yeshua, thousands of well meaning Christians will choose to celebrate this day by bringing a pagan goddess and pagan rituals into G-d's presence. This is done in spite of the very first of the Ten Commandments:


Easter is not mentioned in the Bible, except in the King James Version in Acts 12:4; and even this is an inaccurate translation of this passage. This is seen by many as being an anti-Semitic translation.

We would do well to pay heed to the words of Rabbi David Hargis, a Messianic Rabbi and director of the Messianic Bureau International and the MBI Yeshiva:

"'Easter' is actually a pagan celebration for the goddess (demon) Ishtar/Astarte, which is held on the first Sunday following the Vernal Equinox (Spring planetary cycle). This day was fixed by apostate medieval churchianity and has nothing to do with Yeshua's resurrection. It is rather, a lie and a blasphemy to celebrate it as Yeshua's resurrection.


here is an article titled "The lies of Christmas"

http://www.senac.com/nb/1627/bin/278.html


Blessings to all,

S&T

[ September 14, 2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]

 

Here is another interesting site that I found wile surfing:

http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/

Many are trying to "help" Christians get back to the Hebrew roots of the faith (so they say). Upon close examination it appears that they have an agenda of their own in doing this. The Bible clearly explains the Hebrew history of Christianity. They are trying to sell "special" or hidden knowledge or some try to push it as direct revelation. Buyer beware.

 

AbiYah,

Thanks for your reply. In your profile you listed your faith as:

My religion / denomination:
a Baptist-based Torah Community

I have neve heard of this branch of Baptists, and was wondering if you could tell me about them.

Thanks

 

AbiYah said:

"Spirit and Truth --

I am amazed that you would post the personal
information and name of another person on this
board without their permission. Who gave you this
right? I find this disgusting. You need to rethink
your actions and apologize to Donbam.

Donbam is much nicer than I would be, if you did
this to me. "


Abiyah,
I am not quite sure where you are drawing your indignation from. If you look at Donbams profile you will find this link there:

http://www.kol-hashofar.org/


Welcome to Kol-HaShofar Ministry
This site is currently under construction. Please visit the old site at
www.geocities.com/donbam_2000.

Thank You


When you click on the link that you are re-directed to, you will find Donbam's bio which states who he is, and is posted for public viewing. In the future, please check the details before you attempt to publicly scold me.


Thank you

 

"The Way International" is another cult that drew many into a "form" of godliness.Here is an anti-cult site that is maintained by a former member that he uses as a way to expose deception.

http://www.abouttheway.com/tw_splintergroups.htm