Why Bible Alone guys are Wrong

why does the new testament quote from the worlds first science fiction book - The Book Of Enoch?
Jude 14-15. Surely such casual quoting implies something?

If the bible was written by a Protestant Fundamentalist I am sure such a phrase would not have got past the editor especially since it clearly states that the REAL Enoch is saying these words.

Lets face it, what went into the bible was decided by pretty ordinary people who just happened to have the ability of affording pen and paper. The richest christian groups wrote the most bibles (I guess). The richest groups (potentially) had the most members and thus we must be Catholic or rewrite the bible.
Its your choice

 

Hi
You said "but supports what scripture tells us".
Where in the bible, apart from Jude, does it say Enoch said this? Surely you're mistaken?

 

Jason,
You are being a bit rude and getting into sophistry rather then valid theological arguments.

Calm down and perhaps say a prayer before you respond to posts. Seriously it can help. If you feel cross, perhaps wait 24 hours or so until you calm down.

I am not a liar. Catholics are most definitely NOT (well on the whole) sola scripture. I am a Catholic (not a "good" catholic in the sense of saying Rosaries etc and getting involved - but a pretty normal catholic nevertheless).

Being 39 (ish) I don't appreciate being called a liar. Cut the sophistry and stick with theology and or history.

Prayer

[ November 24, 2002, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Netcurtains3 ]

 

Hi Jim1999,

I am not a member of the Guildford Baptist church. The web site registration questionaire asked me "where is my nearest Baptist Church" - it did not say "which baptist church do I go to" - the two are obviously very different questions. If you look at your HELLO section from time to time you will see that I made it clear that I am a Catholic (but I was an Elim Pentacostalist as a teenager and an Anglican as a "twenty something". The mistake is in the web site questioning - not me (at least that is how it seems to me)). But if you want me to edit out "my nearest baptist church" I would be very willing to do so.

I don't post on any of the Baptist only threads.

[ November 24, 2002, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Netcurtains3 ]

 

Are you saying the authors of the Bible are rich? I hope not.

I also see that you don't have any answers for JasonW's questions. He wasn't being rude in the least, he was stating the obvious.

 

Helen and Bro Adam,

Helen - thanks for answering my question.
I have now looked up a few things about bibles and early popes. The first pope (apart from Peter) who would appear to be a recognised historical figure is: Pope St. Clement I. He was pope from about AD88 to AD97.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
The New Testament was completed by about A.D.100.

Bro Adam - Perhaps I did over do the "rude" bit - lets leave it at that.
The rich bit.
Rich, not necessarily in terms of the wealthiest backers but possibly rich in terms of the numbers of ordinary people willing to cough up a few bob to help in the bible writing work. The organisation that has the most "few bobs" will probably produce the most bibles. Rome, during the Roman empire had about FIVE MILLION people in it (my 12 year old tells me - I think the net says similiar).
Other bibles - like the Coptic or sinai bible with there extra or different books in them obviously had smaller print runs (as it were). In a sense the bible is the work of the holy spirit AND democracy. Rome was the centre of Christianity simply because of its huge size.
What became of the Didache? It is AD140-ish?

Yes I do think the bible is NOT God - Jesus (Yeshua) is the WORD and the bible does not contain the entire word (as it says some where that "there were many more things Jesus did that are not written down"). For example the Bible does not have the Trinity in it but I am a Trinitarian. The Nicene Creed (either the original Orthodox or the modern Catholic are both Trinitarian).

 

Yes the Bible does tell us about the Trinity. In fact Genesis itself, the very beginning of Genesis in the story of creation tells us about the trinity.

 

Hi Bro Adam,
I can't see any clear cut trinity in Genesis. God appears to be "talking to a small group" - elohim - but that is not three.

I think the best witness of Trinity is Jesus. He said the smallest number of Christians needed to make a Church was TWO ("where ever two or three of you are gathered together in my name there I'll be in your midst" - 2 + Jesus = 3).

Talking of smallest numbers - the Universe itself is in a sense (more or less) trinitarian. There are Three Qwarks in a Proton. Hydrogen (the stuff of the 'Big Bang') has no Neutron just a Proton. The funamentalist (lol) building block of the universe is trinitarian as the qwark is the SMALLEST particle of matter and there are ALWAYS three in a proton. A Hydrogen atom is made up of a single proton (three qwarks).

Or of course the Nicene Creed says God is "Light From Light" - There are just three primary colours in HUMAN light that lets us see more or less all other colours (well more or less).

The guy who was dead against religion was Sigmund Freud. He subconsciencely (lol) split the human brain up in a Trinitarian way - Id, ego and super-ego.

I guess matter itself (superficially) looks Trinitarian at first glace - Liquid, Solid and Gas.

Is this lot correct - not quite (but nearly).

Is the bible 100% correct or does it have some glitches?

IMHO I think if the Bible has any glitches then Jesus left them there for us to think about what they could mean.

Pray.
Net

[ November 24, 2002, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Netcurtains3 ]

 

The Bible is 100% correct. It is completely infallible, and free from any error. It is divinely inspired. Do you think thousands of men, woman and children would freely die for a lie? Do you think the Apostles would be martyred for Christ if he was a fraud?

Think about these verses of the Bible, on the Bible:

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The Bible itself is its own burden of proof, it is the our final authority in all doctrinal matters, all teaching, all correcting, because it is given by the inspiration of God. Unless you believe God to capable of being wrong. In which case he would cease to be God.

2 Tim. 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The very Bible you critisize will be your burden of proof on the day of judgement.

Romans 2:16 (KJV)
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.