Mary, mother of God

Greetings,

Most arguements on this board against the title "Mother of God" is the fear that Mary is somehow being elevated in some way. But this is not about Mary, it is about Christ. It is a Christological title which is there to correct christological problems.

peace

 

Greetings,

The rosary is a tool of prayer to help us to meditate on the Mysteries of Jesus Christ. Meditating on Christ is a good thing. I think even you would say that. Things like his carrying the cross, the resurrection, Pentecost, the Transfiguration, Preaching the Kingdom, his being born, all these mysteries of Jesus are meditated on in the Rosary, a good thing.

As far as the Hail Mary Prayer: The entire prayer up until the last line is taken from scripture. The last line is 'holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." No worship there, just asking Mary to pray for us. I ask people to pray for me all the time. I also pray for others all the time.

peace

 

Where, in scripture, does God tell us to use beads (idols?) to pray to dead people (more idols)?

In fact, scripture tells us necromancy is an abomination to God.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Praying to or communication with the dead is necromancy.

Luke 16:24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

 

Greetings,

You asked: But what good does it do to ask a dead person to pray for you?

Response: Don't you believe that Jesus gives life to those who believe? I am a Christian and I believe that those who believe, even though they died to this world are alive in Christ. I don't know about you, but I believe that jesus gives life. Really gives life. You may want to examine how much your really believe in Jesus if you do not believe that those who have gone before us are alive in Christ.

You said: That is putting Mary in the place of intercessor and we no longer need one...

Response: Christ is the one mediator and I pray directly to Jesus christ. Everyone should pray directly to jesus Christ. However I ask other to pray directly to Jesus christ for me as well. My mom Prays for me constantly, and I will never tell her to stop because she is an unnecessary intercessor. Everyone prays directly to Jesus, including those I ask to pray for me. Unless you tell all your friends to stop praying for you because they not necessary, then this arguement does not hold water. Jesus is our mediator to God and everyone is praying to him, including Mary,his mother.

peace

 

Greetings,

You said: Where, in scripture, does God tell us to use beads (idols?) to pray to dead people (more idols)?

Response: Why is a bead and idol? All beads are is a counting device. You don't need beads to pray the rosary. Most often I just use my fingers. I have also used the nobs on my steering wheel. Beads are not an idol, just a counting device.

I am very sad that nobody on this board seems to believe that Jesus is the Lord of Life and anyone who believes in him has eternal life. that is very sad. I believe that anyone who has left this world IN ChRIST is alive with Christ in heaven. It is sad that people here don't believe that promise. People are alive in Christ in heaven. In fact they are more alive than we are here on earth.

peace

 

Greetings,

You said: To gloss over the INCARNATE aspect of Christ's birth is to deny the Trinity in favor of exaulting Mary as "Mother of God".

Response: Nobody has ever said that Mary created God. However, No parent creates the soul of their children. God creates that. So being mother is not the creative dimension, but the giving birth dimension. Nobody is saying that Mary predates Jesus, or in anyway creates Jesus. In fact, I explained this already about three times in this thread(so apparently people are not reading). Mary gave birth to God, so is the mother of God.

peace

 

Greetings,

You said: yet they PROHIBIT the act of praying to your fellow living church member -

Response: If by prayer you mean worship, then you are correct. We cannot worship a church member, however, we also cannot worship mary. That is what we mean by prayer. We use the Older definition which means to ask. I could walk up to a church member and say: I pray you please intercede for me, because I am sick. The word prayer means 'to ask'(I pray that the court has lenience on my client). If you understand english, then this is not a problem

peace

 

Greetings,

Here is a possiblity. Most on this board do not like the title "Mother of God" because according to you it implies creation or pre-existance(although it doesn't).

Would this be appropriate: Mary, who gave birth to God.

Would you at least go along with this title?

peace

 

Greetings,

I don't know this prayer. I have never seen this prayer. However, the main line in this prayer: my only desire being to love your divine Son, Jesus.

The only desire to Love Jesus: pretty positive if you ask me.

peace