2 Corinthians 6:1

If You desire to Call Christ a Cult thats on you DHK God judges you, He has a way of measuring back.

Did YOU hear what I heard? Were YOU there where I was? Do YOU lead me where to go?


In Short... What are you talking about? You make no sense really. I was led out of a BUILDING not out of Christ, would you at least use your brain when you follow me around trying to trap me with my words. I've ONLY been a Christian 15 years is stating "thats about HOW LONG I've been one".

The Lord does not dwell in Temples made by man we are His Temple, we are to follow Him and He leads by His Spirit. Is there a building more appropriate that is mentioned I'm unaware of in scripture DHK? Is it your conviction that I must go to a building? Please provide scripture for that assertion. Whereever WE ARE He is there, you simply cannot get away from Him who is within you, nor be led in any other direction then what He leads.


So because its not in a "TRADITIONAL" setting you judge it? Those blessed Traditions! I thought a cult was a follower of strange men? Not those led by the Spirit of God.

I thought the Lord had said, My Sheep hear my voice but a stranger they will not listen to.

I find those who say "The Lord leads" more fearful of walking in it and actually trusting in Him.

Throwing out "fears and wonderings" about the thought that God would give you a Serpent.

But what if your holding THE HAND of ONE? The reality is blind men don't admit they cannot see, Jesus clearly had shown that.

Funny, I'll say be Led of the Lord, someone else will say... Now wait... watch out that its not a demon or error... Its ridiculous. What a LACK of Faith in God, not a True Faith in Him.

He alone is the Truth.

God Bless

Seth3

 

DHK,

all who followed Jesus forsook him.

Mar 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled.

all whom Paul preached to at some time forsook him.

2Ti 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all [men] forsook me: [I pray God] that it may not be laid to their charge.
2Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and [that] all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

shall I explain that each persons journey is one of solitude. no man can teach another about eternal life.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

this age only the elect are being taught of the Holy Spirit independently of any other man. the firstfruits are being taught firsthand by an invisible source which they have to rely on by faith.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

the visible "church" teaches law which are composed of man made doctrine. "do this" "dont do that".
while the holy spirit teaches truth which just "is". what a person can spiritually see and hear by the instruction of the Holy spirit that just "is".

vessels of wrath teach doctrines that causes spiritual death. composed of man made doctrines.

vessels of mercy teach doctrines of life..which is grace. well to be exact. they cant really "teach". they "express" what they understand and if they have the gift of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. they can express in various ways what they know to be true to themselves.

we are as stars..we reflect light to each other.

LorrieGrace,

the church of Acts went into decline until all were physically destroyed and the people scattered. man made doctrine caused denominational splits. schools of theological though cropped up and began teaching every viewpoint imagined. from the schools of theology established then, we have today any denomination and church of thought.

man believes he can teach one another about God.

when the bible clearly teaches the opposite.

carnal man can teach one another things about death..
do this, dont do that. but they cant teach you about life.

what does these churches teach man today?

impartial grace.

love your neighbor, but hate your enemy.

that doesnt sound like any kind of God of unconditional Love...
nor does it sound like a saviour who covers over all sin and unrighteousness.

grace is a process.. it is the operation of salvation of Gods creation. we start in a state of of utter ignorance and grow to become Sons of God.

we are schooled under the law until we grow into the spirit. (by grace, through faith)

so DHK...
if you cant see this or understand it..
does that mean... what you cant understand or see to be a lie?

Seth3, now you can plainy see the real persecution by simple means of lack of mercy and love.
but I do appreceiate the kind words.
belive it or not,I receive a blessing with a new viewpoint EVERYTIME I read your posts.

kinda reminds me of the term "mystery". you know that you know but you cant share it.
its a mystery only known by you...until you find another that can hear God and the same mystery..
its just too cool. you search and you search thinking that no one around understands what you see and hear...and then your search is over when you find that special guiding light.

Me2

 

Me2

I get blessed too man, I can't stand when you take off lol! A REAL LIVING FAITH and Experience with the Living God is where it is AT. Nothing can quench the drawing Love of God when tasting it ans SEEING how wonderful He truly is, yet at first be hidden, what a AMAZINGLY GREAT GOD WE HAVE. Praise The Lord for His Faithfulness to all who trust in Him and seek Him with all they are, He will be found by them Amen and Amen! Its there the love that surpasses knowledge is found wherewith I have to discover how unmeasurable that love is In Christ our Lord.

I sure wish I could introduce you to some of my freinds (at you know where-don't disclose the location I don't like a following lol!)

Could you at LEAST pop in and say Hi so we can chat openly without defense and definately in that Joy of the Lord I keep in my pocket under times of pursuement lol!


Your so right on Me2 God never fails to bless me through you every time. I thank Him for you.


God Bless

Seth3

 

You said you were led out of Christianity. What else am I to believe? Did God lead you into Mormonism or what? What spirit do you follow? It doesn't sound like Christ or his Spirit. His Spirit doesn't allegorize all the Bible. His Spirit isn't a universalist.

This is not the kind of teaching that comes from the Spirit of Christ.

This borders on blasphemy, definitely not of the Spirit of Christ.

So what spirit do you speak from? The man of sin in the Bible is the Antichrist. He certainly is not in my house. Your allegorical interpretations of the Bible lead one astray of the truth of the Bible and into great error.

You are in need of a teacher.
DHK

 

Seth3 says

So Christ REDEEMS from the CURSE OF THE LAW but the SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST will WILL DRINK, FILLING UP IN OURSELVES what is lacking. The Cup in Benjimins Sack.

To Which DHK replies

This is not the kind of teaching that comes from the Spirit of Christ.

Seth3 responds


Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, YE SHALL INDEED DRINK MY CUP, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with.


2Corinth 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

Actually I'm sure you don't think theres any relevance in that little silver Cup in Benjimens sack. Like a Natural man you see only what your able to. Man of Sin is none other then the puffed up in Himself with knowledge over what is CALLED GOD but IS NOT GOD. Its a Man void of Faith who deny Him by their works. Its not some horrendous monster in a geographical place. That Beast or Man of Sin is US. Thats what is revealed...

Who said, "Oh Lord I was as a Brute beast before thee" So TRUE. Lets deny it (call it names push it out there somewhere to coddle ourselves).

How can I know that you are of Christ? I'm asking you for YOUR confession. I already sense your great love lets hear the confession.

IS CHRIST COME? Or Not DHK?


The rest of your comments need no further comment from me.

I pray for Wind for your house

Seth3

 

What do you mean that you are praying for wind for his house?

 

DHK-

How did you ever get that God needed a human being to intercede between Him and you or Him and others? The only thing needed is:

God
Jesus
The Holy Spirit
God's Word

I'm not knocking preachers, but they are not the way to have a relationship with God. Your relationship with God is a personal one.

Who says when a man is ordainded by God? Who told you that your preacher is ordained by God? The paper that he received from being EDUCATED was given to him by another human being. Who is that person to judge if someone actualy qualifies, in the eyes of God.

It is the Holy Spirit in you that lets you know when someone is called of God.
Just like the Holy Spirit aproves or speaks (that inner voice) to let us know when others that we fellowship with are alright, in His sight. And you can certainly rejoice and grow with just a few others. Sometimes even moreso than in a church with a big congregation.

You can have a relationship with God without a building, or another man telling you what to beleive.

You are the church.

You do have your own personal hotline to the Holy Trinity.

[ November 10, 2004, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: here now ]

 

1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

what do you think these kings of authority will receive?

to be teachable...one must first be humbled..

man first receives the law to destroy his carnal spirit. then he receives the meek humbled spirit of Christ.

praying for someone who is unruly brings first destruction via the law.
then comes the quietness and peace that everyone can enjoy which is associated with the spirit of Christ.

this is good and acceptable.

remember...everyone is prayed for to receive the spirit of christ by an intercessor.
by a caring individual.

kind of an interesting twist huh?

(but thats grace in action)

Me2

 

I never did. Where did you get that idea from?

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

If we didn't need evangelists, pastors, and teachers, why did God set aside the office. Why did God set strict requirements for a pastor and a deacon. Why did Paul ordain pastors in every church that he establish?

Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

It is true that your relationship with God is the most important thing in your life. That relationship needs to develop through the study of God's Word and prayer, and also through fellowship with other believers (one of the purposes of a local church). No one knows all the Bible. But pastors certainly can lead you in the right direction. That is what they are called to do. I am an ordained preacher. God chose me by His grace. He called me into the ministry. Man's ordination is only man's recognition of the calling of God upon my life. I hope that answers your question about ordination. Find a church that preaches the Bible whose foundation is Christ.

Just make sure that it is the Holy Spirit that is speaking and not emotionalism or an experience of some type. Remember that the Holy Spirit never goes against His Word. For example, if someone tries to dissuade you from going to a church that does preach the Bible, then they are going against the will of God.

Yes you can, but you cannot be in the will of God, without believing in the local church, and without being active in one.

That is a false statement unproveable by Scripture. Look at the churches that Paul wrote to in his epistles. Not one of them consisted of one person.

Yes, I do; do you?
DHK

 

What is the name of the cult your in?
DHK

 

I dare to differ DHK, The Body of Christ is not an unemotional organization. In Fact the very opposite is True, its Joyful full of pure affection toward one another, sincerity of Heart. Paul Himself expressed hs "longings" toward them and His depth of love toward them". The affections of Christ. Granted theres things we question whereas Paul justifies people thinking you are "mad" if you do them. Nonetheless you seem to say a church without natural affection is something God desires.

Experiences... Lets throw our experience with the Lord down the drain because you never had one. How can you be led of the Spirit without experiencing his leading? How can you be a Light without having or knowing the Light within you? How can you know or experience the sufferings of Christ unless you enter into them? Is the glory of Christ just something written in a book or is it something that we EXPERIENCE?

What you seem to defend is an emotionless and without any experience type religion with no power whatsoever=Form of Godliness denying the power thereof its dead. Only an Image of Gold but not the true inner gold of faith.

Well WE TOO have our own hot line (as it was put above) as you do but we desire His voice over your own.

The Holy Spirit leads the Sons of God and it might not work out to yours or anyones "interpretation" of how you believe He leads. But the Wind does blow where it wants you hear the sound but do not where it is coming from or where it is going SO ARE THOSE BORN OF THE SPIRIT and LED BY HIM.

So if He says "Come out my people" I could care less whats ringing around me I listen to that inner voice I'm SUPPOSED TO HEAR. If not I'd be only turning pages to find my way, "trying to figure it all out upstairs".


God Bless

Seth3

 

What is the name of the cult your in?
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 73:22 So foolish [was] I, and ignorant: I was [as] a BEAST before thee.

I was in the as a beast cult, But now I belong to Jesus Christ My Lord and Savior cult.


God Bless

Seth3

 

The New Covenant Already HERE


GODS WORDS

Heb 8:11 And they shall NOT TEACH every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (Jesus defines the least and the greatest one keeps his commands the others break them)

GODS VERY CLEAR WORDS

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this [is] MY COVENANT WITH THEM, saith the LORD; My spirit that [is] upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor OUT OF THE MOUTH of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, FROM HENCEFORTH AND FOR EVER.


A REALITY OF GODS WORDS IN US

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and YE NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN SHOULD TEACH YOU: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


JESUS' WORDS

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And THEY SHALL BE ((ALL)) TAUGHT OF GOD. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath LEARNED OF THE FATHER, COMETH UNTO ME.


Seems clear God desires to Teach His Children not desiring a man as a mediater.


God Bless Seth

 

quote: here now says-
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You are the church.
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DHK says-

That is a false statement unproveable by Scripture. Look at the churches that Paul wrote to in his epistles. Not one of them consisted of one person.

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here now's response-
So, if you are not the church, what is the, building?

I think not!
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Originally posted by here now:
DHK-

How did you ever get that God needed a human being to intercede between Him and you or Him and others?
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DHK says-
I never did. Where did you get that idea from?
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here now's response-

I got it from the following post by you:


DHK says in a previous post-

The entire ministry of true Biblical Christianity is based around a ministry of teaching and of preaching. One learns from their teachers. To say that you learn only from God, and only from Christ, and only from the Holy Spirit, is both arrogant proud. It is sin in itself, and it leads one into ignorance, not spirituality. Your posts seem to be an indicator of that very thing.

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quote:here now
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I'm not knocking preachers, but they are not the way to have a relationship with God. Your relationship with God is a personal one.

Who says when a man is ordainded by God? Who told you that your preacher is ordained by God? The paper that he received from being EDUCATED was given to him by another human being. Who is that person to judge if someone actualy qualifies, in the eyes of God.
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DHK says-
It is true that your relationship with God is the most important thing in your life. That relationship needs to develop through the study of God's Word and prayer, and also through fellowship with other believers (one of the purposes of a local church). No one knows all the Bible. But pastors certainly can lead you in the right direction. That is what they are called to do. I am an ordained preacher. God chose me by His grace. He called me into the ministry. Man's ordination is only man's recognition of the calling of God upon my life. I hope that answers your question about ordination. Find a church that preaches the Bible whose foundation is Christ.
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Here now's response-

I do go to church.

Like I said I'm not knocking preachers.

But, I also do not think that it is neccesary to have someone to intercede for you.
Although for me personally, I get a lot from my preachers.
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quote:here now
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It is the Holy Spirit in you that lets you know when someone is called of God.
Just like the Holy Spirit aproves or speaks (that inner voice) to let us know when others that we fellowship with are alright, in His sight. And you can certainly rejoice and grow with just a few others. Sometimes even moreso than in a church with a big congregation.
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DHK says-
Just make sure that it is the Holy Spirit that is speaking and not emotionalism or an experience of some type. Remember that the Holy Spirit never goes against His Word. For example, if someone tries to dissuade you from going to a church that does preach the Bible, then they are going against the will of God.
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here now's response:

Only mans' word contradicts the Word.

The Holy Spirit is always harmonious with the Word.

No one tries to dissuade me from going to church.
That was not me that said I didn't go to church.
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quote:here now
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You can have a relationship with God without a building, or another man telling you what to beleive.
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DHK says-
Yes you can, but you cannot be in the will of God, without believing in the local church, and without being active in one.


here now's response-

I don't think that is Biblical.


As long as you are in His Word, searching and seeking Him (the Truth), I don't think He cares whether you are at home, in your car, in a park,on a boat........

He knows your heart. He knows you where ever you are.
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quote:here now
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You do have your own personal hotline to the Holy Trinity.
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DHK says-

Yes, I do; do you?
DHK


I meant each individual not just you.

But to answer your question:

Yes, through Jesus Christ, I do have my own personal hotline to the Holy Trinity! PTL!


sincerely,

here now

 

Amen here now ... Don't let people push themselves up over you, you know what you have and in who you trust. Keep on in the Lords Spirit, Let all men be liars and God be true. Whats in you is no lie but Is True. I believe others need that same confidence in the Lord alone.

God Bless

Seth3

 

Me2,

I have no idea of what you mean. Why would you want wind to blow on his house? So it will fall down or what?

Your posts and Seth's are extremely hard for me to understand. It is just me because no one else seems to have the problem, but honestly, I don't have a clue most of the time to what yall post.

 

That is because everything is so much allegorized LorrieGrace, straight answers are hard to come by. Black becomes white and white becomes black. Christ becomes Satan, and Satan becomes Christ. Seth already said that the man of sin (the antichrist) was in us. Basically that is calling Christ the Holy Spirit, Satan. The entire theology is blasphemous.
DHK

 

Lorrie Grace,

Hope this helps


1Corinth 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man BUILD UPON this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be REVEALED BY FIRE; and the fire shall TRY every man's work of what sort it is.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (Built up in Christ to full measure or stature)

Fire doesn’t hurt an overcomer in Christ it has no power over them

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall SUFFER LOSS: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet SO AS BY FIRE.

Fire does however hurt the one who has not yet overcome by faith in Christ and all that’s built on this faith. He is shown suffering loss though he is saved He does not move forward for the prize or reward until he builds correctly)

1Corinth 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be WISE in this world, let him become a FOOL, that he may be WISE. (Foolish builder and Wise Builder Christ spoke of)

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

1Corinth 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be WISE in this world, LET HIM BECOME A FOOL, that HE MAY BE WISE.

This and many other things show we can build upon Christ (The Foundation laid) in an incorrect manner. So when one thinks He is wise in this world Paul’s saying LET HIM BECOME A FOOL for the SOLE PURPOSE of BECOMING WISE. This is seen in Christ’s Teaching about the foolish and wise builder. So letting one BECOME a FOOL is have their HOUSE FALL FIRST that He then becomes WISE and has learned to build aright. YET one suffers a loss through this experience (Tried by fire) yet saved thought YET BY FIRE. A Rebuilding takes place but FIRST IS THE FALL.

Like Running a race or building there’s an upward call of God in Christ this is the bringing of many Sons to Glory. To as many as received him TO THEM HE GAVE THE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD. Its what Paul said LAYING HOLD OF WHAT CHRIST LAID HOLD OF HIM FOR. Which in turn will bring the sufferings of Christ into ones life which are nothing compared to the glory that follows.

I hope that helped Lorrie Grace. I tried giving scripture only pulling in a few thoughts as they relate as well.

God Bless

Seth3

 

I'm sure Jesus gave the seven brothers with one wife a direct answer now didn't he DHK?

Whose wife will she be (in essense) when we die and go to heaven in the ressurection?

He never said #1 #2 #3 or #4 They could not "lay hold" of Him... they could not understand him. So they conclude he was a devil (what else is new?)

Seth3

 

You are entitled to your opinions, and may post them all you want. I won't even attempt to get into a discussion of the ecclesiastical definition of "body of Christ" relative to soteriology from where this thread began in discussing 2Cor.6:1.

Where do you get this gobbledy gook from? Firstly, I never said anything about natural affections, or affections of any kind. So why are babbling on about this?

And you know this how?? Or is it a false allegation—a charge that we take seriously at BB.

Listen, when you allegorize the Bible to the point where you call Satan, Christ, and vice versa; I have every right to question whether or not you are in a cult or even saved. You are a guest on BB, and as such have some posting privileges. When you call others (especially the moderator here), unsaved, you have crossed the line. It will not be tolerated. Action will be taken, and your posting privileges can be revoked. As unfair as that may seem that is how it works. I say that you may be in a cult and may be unsaved because I sincerely believe that, and I want to help you. You need to look at the Scriptures objectively, not through colored glasses of allegorization.

Just what experiences have you entered into that you are calling the sufferings of Christ? Would you care to describe them? Again, you sound like you are involved in some mystical cult. We do not base our salvation on experiences but rather on the promises of God's Word.

I never defended anything that was emotionless. You are confused. You have just equated emotion with power, which is the farthest thing from the truth. The great majority of the people sitting in mental institutions are people that are very emotional. Emotion has nothing to do with the power of God. How do you perceive power? Something like Moses holding his rod over the Red Sea, and see the waters parting?? Is that what you want to do? Sorry, that is past history. God gave that work to Moses. You missed your chance. That is not what the Bible is speaking of when it speaks of power. Here is an example of power:

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
--Travailing in prayer = the filling of the Holy Spirit + speaking the Word with boldness. (special miracles happened in the first century to authenticate the gospel message—so don't expect earthquakes with your prayers).

BTW, I don't defend any religion. I don't have a religion; I have a relationship with Jesus Christ my Saviour. It is based on His Word. In obedience to His Word, I got baptized after I was saved, and then joined a Bible-believing local church—all in accordance with God's Word. If you want to know God's will, you must know God's Word.

Fine, you don't have to listen to my voice in particular. But it is the will of God that you listen to someone. It is the will of God that you be involved in some Bible-believing church. The church at Jerusalem—what happened? On the Day of Pentecost 3,000 were saved, baptized and added to the church. What church? It was that specific church right there in Jerusalem. It was there that they continued in the Apostles doctrine and in fellowship, prayer, and in breaking of bread. They were not alone. It was one large church that was established in Jerusalem. It was organized. It was headed up by the Apostles themselves. If you go to Acts 15 you find that the pastor of the church was James. Acts 6 gives a pattern for the church choosing servants or deacons. This was an organized church that saved and baptized individuals joined.

It doesn't matter what my opinion is. What matters is what God says. You better be sure what God says on the matter. Don't be wrong.

2Tim.2:15 commands us to "rightly divide the word of truth." You are not doing that, and just gave a good example. You continue to take Scripture out of context, and most of the time allegorize it. Here is the Scripture you took out of context this time:

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Read the verse in the entire context of the chapter. He is writing to the Corinthian believers telling them to come out of the fellowship of unbelievers. Be separated from unbelievers. Look at verse 14:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
--This verse makes the meaning of verse 17 a lot more clear.

You have used verse 17 against "us" or local churches to say come out from among churches. That is not what it is teaching of course. That is a corruption of Scripture. The Bible teaches the exact opposite—that you need to be a part of a good Bible-believing local church.
DHK