Understanding Partial Rapture

No, you and Brother Ruckman are in complete accord here!

Lacy

PS. I got to hear Brother Ruckman preach not too long ago. He's 82 now and ornery as ever. My boys and I were greatly edified by his sermon. My main problem with him is that he doesn't take quite as hard a stand as I would like on the King James issue.

 

Troy,

It would be great to challenge you to answer the questions asked you. It would also be needful to deal with the blockage you are suffering. But realistically you wont be here long enough to have a fruitful discussion. I can't see how you can declare understanding of biblical things, when you cannot seem to even understand the basic rules of this forum.

 

But, I do want to thank him for bringing to the forefront and exposing the dangers of this cult we call Ruckmanism. I never realized just how insane this guy's teaching really were.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Shouldn't Troy's posts be moved to the humor section. I actually laughed out loud when I read this thing.

 

I could be wrong but I think Troy may belong to the Local Church. They are a cultic group started by Witness Lee. That is why his views sound so confusing.

And yet -- get this -- they were accepted by a large Christian publication group and the ads for their Bible (the Recovery Version) are advertised on Christian radio. Also, one of their ministries, Living Stream Ministries, is promoted by some Christians.

Here's a link on this group:
http://www.lcinfo.org/?page=intro
Excerpt:

Some believe their views are ambiguous and therefore not cultic though aberrant.

I could be wrong about Troy but because of his subjective statements, comment about Watchman Nee, and his listing of his church as a "locality," I was thinking this was a possibility.

 

I plead with the moderators to allow this thread. It is quite comical and I am enjoying Troy's posts. It is like medicine for the soul.

Troy, what exactly do you mean by legalizing baptism?

 

In one of the other threads in the all faiths forum the question was asked---Are UFO's for real? My initial response has always been no way, but Troy has gotten me to reconsider. Come on Troy its time to come in for a landing.

 

Wait a minute. I think I might have seen this in an episode of Star Trek:

We are the Troy. Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated...

 

My guess is Troy, that you don't really know what a Baptist is. Why don't you define what you think a Baptist is, and then we can go from there, correcting all your misconceptions. For example, "the legalization of baptism" ??

From your web page most of us would probably consider you as the one that is in a cult, so I would be careful throwing that word around if I were you. You talk about a "Baptismal cult," in reference to us, and yet you are the the one that believes in "baptismal regeneration."
Believing that baptism is necessary to salvation, thus making salvation by works, is one of the marks of a cult.

That's enough to get started. Your beliefs on ecclesiology are enough for a thread in itself, as well.
DHK

 

Ask yourself what spiritual value your statement has? </font>[/QUOTE]I felt as if it had about as much spiritual value as what you have posted. Absolutely None.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Hey Troy,

Would you like to respond to these questions?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Troy,

We are still waiting for any clear responses from you. I would be extremely surprised if you could give a coherent answer to the questions asked you without throwing the cult word around on issues you don't seem to understand. That you can refer us to a web page is really meaningless, your personal writings are unintelligable. Answer the questions, drop the name calling, at least until you understand what a Baptist is and understand what we believe about baptism and matters of eschatology. As long as your post sound like science fiction that is how they will be responded to.

Bro Tony

 

I was waiting to see what I could possibly say to you and then the Holy Spirit gave me the response. Praise God. Here it is....spiritually useful for you too.

Often times the condition that we are in we reflect onto others. What is the condition of the baptist denominational stance?

It is this. Through their legalizations of baptism, making it a requirement, shows their attempt at "assimilations" so you see all you are doing in your Star Trek analogy is projecting outwardly your own condition. And thus the mentality is resistance is futile if you hoard with others who also legalize baptism.

But praise the Lord, we have the Word of God for as children of God the Holy Spirit allows us to understand the Word, which says on baptism that you are in a cult, and here is the truth of your mistaken assumption, if you hath an ear to hear,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/waterbaptism.htm

These are not my words. I want nothing for myself. But I discovered these words and said, yea, that is the answre to the problem that exists today in the baptismal cult in which they don't let the truth set them free but stay locked into a legalism. Praise God! </font>[/QUOTE]This is the funniest stuff I have read all week long. You are not from Landover or the Holy Observer, are you?

 

Troy is from Edmonton.
I now feel ashamed to be identified with my own city.
DHK