What must one do to be saved???

WOW!!!!

Normally I have to pay admisssion to get entertainment this good!!!

Prots fighting with each other!! Love it!!!

Just goes to prove what a train wreck private interpretation has been.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks guys. Great start to my weekend.

 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....guess I should throw in my .02 worth so y'all can beat on me for a while when you get tired of each other.

What must one do to be saved?

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief and baptism go together. No one is saying that one can exist without the other.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

God's salvation is for all peoples of the world, not for a special class called "the elect".

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Jesus is the way into this salvation. We come through Him only.

Ac 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

We call upon the name of the Lord.

Ac 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Baptism is a calling upon the name of the Lord. It is faith in action, as James said, "Faith without works is DEAD." The work of faith is that we are baptized, calling upon the name of the Lord.

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

But remember, it is ALL OF GRACE, and not of anything we can do. Even our obedience is of God's grace, for He must call to the sinner first, and not the other way around.

Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. We are saved by His blood through Him.

Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

But SOME are going to go through the cleansing fires of being purged of their sins. Men's works which are done in the flesh are sin and will have to be burned away. Only the silver, gold, and precious stones of the Lord's work by His Spirit are acceptable. So believers will undergo fire and come out clean....smokey smelling, but clean. We call this Purgatory.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

It is all by grace. We did nothing to make God move His hand for our salvation. He did this out of sheer mercy and nothing on our part. He calls us, indeed, all mankind, to enter into this great salvation. Such a great grace!!

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

It's a gift.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Who will have all men to be saved. Could that mean that salvation is given to all mankind? Some in the Early Church thought so, and while they said that they could not teach this publically, they could privately hope that God's mercy is this wide.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The washing (sounds like WATER to me) of regeneration (also sounded like water to the Early Church) and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

Aren't word studies fun? Y'all pit bulls have at me now.

Cordially in Christ,

Brother Ed

 

I am glad you are enjoying the entertainment Brother Ed. Pull up a chair, and have a cup of Turkish coffee with Mary and Martha as they describe to you their younger brothers whom Lazarus himself baptized. Aah yes, there was Jerry, Josh, and Jimmy. They were all infants at the time of Christ, triplets to be exact. Shortly after Lazarus was raised from the dead he saw fit to baptize these little tykes as he would want to make sure that they would enter the covenant and get to heaven.
I love the way you guys interpret Scripture.
DHK

 

In the book of James where it states faith without works is dead; the people are called "brethen", they are already saved.

In Christ
Susan

 

Well DHK, at least Ed offers you Scripture. Your post was nothing more than sarcasm.

By their fruits...

 

Hello to all:
The thief on the cross, once again, seems to be the topic of the day. He is used as some as an example fo salvation without baptism for us today. However, to argue such is to ignore that which is WRITTEN. Consider the following:
1. Under the Old Covenant sins could be forgiven by God. MK. 2:5-11. Jesus seeing the faith of the lame made forgave him of his sins. The thief was forgiven of his sins under the same covenant.
2.Jews were baptized for the remission of sins.Mk.1:4. This justified the righteosuness of God. It was a valid baptism for the Jews. Luke 7: 29.
3. The Thief had faith acknowledged his sins Luke 23:40,41. He had a penitent faith that Jesus recognized and granted him salvation.Luke 23:43.
The implications form what is WRITTEN are as follows:
1.According to Mk. 1:4, if the thief were a Jew he would have been baptized. This is the IMPLICATION from that which is WRITTEN. The Bbile is silent on his nationality but not his obligation. All men are saved by an active obedient faith. ( Romans 16:26, Gen. 6:8;22). Always has been always will be.
2.According to the need for REQUIREMENT OF REPENTANCE UNDER JOHN's BAPTISM,MK. 1:4, Mat. 3:8, he would have been unfaithful and repented. this is the IMPLICATION from that which is WRITTEN. The Bible is silent about his previous spirtual condition according to his Old covenant condition based on his nationality, but it is not silent on his spirtual condition on the cross. (Lk. 23:42,43).
3.The salvation of the thief has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SALVATION. He lived under the old law and we under the law to Christ.( I Cor. 9:21, Hebs. 9:15-17;10:1-4).
Funny,those making the accusations about arguing from silence are the very ones who do it. James 2:24 NOT BY FAITH ONLY.The Bible is SILENT about faith only. As the ol preacher said," there ain't no scripture fer it!"
For 1400 years men recognized the essentiality of Baptism. Then, one disgruntled Catholic decides to distort the teachings of the Bible and make disciples after himself. I believe they call themselves Calvinists. ( Acts 20:29,30).The Bible is SILENT about Calvinists, too!
Frank
Frank

 

Well, you know how it is:

Anytime you get two Protestants together you get three opinions.

 

No it's not! The thief knew that Jesus' kingdom was spiritual. "Lord, remember ne when you come into your kingdom" shows that he realized Jesus' would recieve the kingdom AFTER DYING! How did he know this? I would assume he had previously been a diciple and fell away. I highly doubt that Jesus did a whole lot of teaching about the kingdom while hanging on the cross!!!

Spoken like a true Romanist and lover of discord. If you must know, however, I'm not a prot nor a Catholic, but a Christian.

[ June 01, 2002, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: SolaScriptura ]

 

Belief in the Bible always includes obedience. When Moses disobeyed God in strking the rock, God did not say that he disobeyed but rather said "You did not believe me!" Num 20:12
- Thus, whenever the Bible says we are saved by believing it includes obedience. If Jesus says "be baptized" and you say "I believe you Jesus" then you will do what he says if you truly believe. Anyone who refuses to do what Jesus says obviously doesn't believe. Man you people are thick headed!

 

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

"Anyone who refuses to do what Jesus says obviously doesn't believe. Man you people are thick headed!"

Have you gone into every nation of this world, preached the gospel to every creature (person) on this planet? If not, by your own theology you are not saved! You have disobeyed the command of Christ, in fact one of the greatest commands of Christ, great enough to be called "The Great Commission."
DHK

[ June 02, 2002, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

Jesus never said "he who preaches the gospel to every nation will be saved" but he did say "he that believes and is baptized shall be saved" didn't he?

 

Takes your mind off the recent RCC problems, doesn't it ?

[ June 03, 2002, 12:56 AM: Message edited by: Mr. Curtis ]

 

Charles Haddon Spurgeon has an entire sermon on Mark 16:16, which you can read at:

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0573.htm

Here is one portion of it that directly addresses the verse:

"THE BAPTISM IN THE TEXT IS ONE EVIDENTLY CONNECTED WITH FAITH. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." It strikes me, there is no supposition here, that anybody would be baptized who did not believe; or, if there be such a supposition, it is very clearly laid down that his baptism will be of no use to him, for he will be damned, baptized or not, unless he believes. The baptism of the text seems to me?my brethren, if you differ from me I am sorry for it, but I must hold my opinion and out with it?it seems to me that baptism is connected with, nay, directly follows belief. I would not insist too much upon the order of the words, but for other reasons, I think that baptism should follow believing. At any rate it effectually avoids the error we have been combating. A man who knows that he is saved by believing in Christ does not, when he is baptized, lift his baptism into a saving ordinance. In fact, he is the very best protester against that mistake, because he holds that he has no right to be baptized until he is saved. He b ears a testimony against baptismal regeneration in his being baptized as professedly an already regenerate person. Brethren, the baptism here meant is a baptism connected with faith, and to this baptism I will admit there is very much ascribed in Scripture. Into that question I am not going; but I do find some very remarkable passages in which baptism is spoken of very strongly. I find this?"Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." I find as much as this elsewhere; I know that believer's baptism itself does not wash away sin, yet it is so the outward sign and emblem of it to the believer, that the thing visible may be described as the thing signified. Just as our Saviour said?"This is my body," when it was not his body, but bread; yet, inasmuch as it represented his body, it was fair and right according to the usage of language to say, "Take, eat, this is my body." And so, inasmuch as baptism to the believer representeth the washing of sin?it may be called the washing of sin?not that it is so, but that it is to saved souls the outward symbol and representation of what is done by the power of the Holy Spirit, in the man who believes in Christ. What connection has this baptism with faith? I think it has just this, baptism is the avowal of faith;the man was Christ's soldier, but now in baptism he puts on his regimentals. The man believed in Christ, but his faith remained between God an d his own soul. In baptism he says to the baptizer, "I believe in Jesus Christ;" he says to the Church, "I unite with you as a believer in the common truths of Christianity;" he saith to the onlooker, "Whatever you may do, as for me, I will serve the Lord." It is the avowal of his faith. Next, we think baptism is also to the believer a testimony of his faith; he does in baptism tell the world what he believes. "I am about," saith he, "to be buried in water. I believe that the Son of God was metaphorically baptized in suffering: I believe he was literally dead and buried." To rise again out of the water sets forth to all men that he believes in the resurrection of Christ. There is a showing forth in the Lord's Supper of Christ's death, and there is a showing forth in baptism of Christ's burial and resurrection. It is a type, a sign, a symbol, a mirror to the world: a looking-glass in which religion is as it were reflected. We say to the onlooker, when he asks what is the meaning of this ordinance, "We mean to set forth our faith that Christ was buried, and that he rose again from the dead, and we avow this death and resurrection to be the ground of our trust."" (C.H. Spurgeon)

DHK

 

[ June 03, 2002, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: SolaScriptura ]

 

1 Peter 3:21 "BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US...BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST" -- Spurgeon was an heretick.

Have you ever taken any classes in logic? The conjunction (AND) in a proposition (statement that has a truth value) always means that both parts must be true for the proposition to be true. If just one part is false, the whole statement is false, due to the conjunction (AND).

PropositionA: 1+1=2 AND 2+3=9

In order for that proposition to be true, both 1+2=2 AND 2+3=9 must be true, but we know 2+3=5 not 9, so the whole statement is false.

PopositionB: If you turn in your application by Friday AND you have filled it out completely, you will get the job.

In order for you to get the job, both must be true: it must be on time AND complete.

PropositionC: He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved.

Now, you want to change the rules of logic AND common sense, don't you? AND means both must be true! If you want salvation it is: belief AND baptism - one will not do!

[ June 03, 2002, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: SolaScriptura ]

 

1 Peter 3:21 "BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US...BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST" -- Spurgeon was an heretick.

Have you ever taken any classes in logic?
Now, you want to change the rules of logic AND common sense, don't you? </font>[/QUOTE]Logic and common sense??
"Baptism does also now save us" Have you considere using some logic and common sense to see what this verse means. I have posted at length already on this verse. You seem to be blind. Baptism means immersion.

1Pet.3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Verse 21 starts out with "the like figure whereunto." This phrase attaches verse 21 to verse 20. The baptism of verse 21 is a figure, a picture, a symbol, Peter says. It pictures something that he has alluded to in verse 20. In verse 20 he was talking about the Flood. There were 8 souls saved by water. You may do your own Bible study on the word "by," but I will ask you just this one question, What saved Noah: the ark or the waters? Which was a place of refuge: the ark or the waters? Which one symbolized salvation, and which one symbolized destruction? Think carefully about this, because Noah was immersed in both the water and in the ark. He was in the ark which was in the water. He was immersed. The immersion of verse 21 refers to the ark--Jesus Christ. The waters are symbolic of destruction. The word baptism does not refer to the ordinance of baptism at all. It is simply a word that ought to be translated immersion. It is Christ that saved them.
DHK

 

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! DON'T REVERSE THE WORDING! The Flood is the symbol or picture. notice the Bible In Basic English

(BBE translation) "And baptism, of which this is an image, now gives you salvation, not by washing clean the flesh, but by making you free from the sense of sin before God, through the coming again of Jesus Christ from the dead;"

It is quite clear that the sybmol/picture/image/figure and baptism is the reality that it points to.

Salvation is at least twofold:
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1. Sanctification - Separation from the wicked which was effected by the water of the flood which killed the wicked.
   Today, it is still effected by water - Ephesians 5:26 "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"</font>
2. Making safe - Being in the ark made Noah safe. Being in Christ makes the Christian safe.
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Through water baptism we enter Christ - Galatians 3:27 "baptized INTO Christ"

DUH! Our self will is crucified in repentance, and buried in baptism. Then, having been planted in the likeness of JESUS' DEATH we are raised in the likeness of His Resurrection, which is why Peter says "baptism saves us...by the resurrection" -- Read Romans 6

Baptism is always a word that simply means immersion and it's very rediculous that it is not translated as such, but here we know that it refers to the ordinance because "THERE IS ONE BAPTISM" (Eph 4:5) and only one and this one is the one that Jesus told the apostles to administer in Matthew 28:19 "teach all nations BAPTIZING THEM." Jesus taught in that same place that THIS baptism adminstered by human hands would be THE ONE that lasts to the end of the world, for after saying BAPTIZING THEM he says "I am with you alway, unto the end of the world" thus connecting them.

As Peter says, the water itself has no power - it can only save by referring the recipient to the work of Christ! Thus, Peter says, "baptism saves...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." That's so simple!

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