Which denoms are Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum?

Then take up the challenge and show us the way of salvation outside of the Book of Acts. If it is in other books of the Bible, that shouldn't be a problem for you, should it. The problem is that you have never been able to do it. So here is your chance to demonstrate your belief that you have been alledging.

Here is what the Bible says about your "gospel"

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
--You believe in another gospel; not the gospel of Christ.

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
--You have perverted the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Those (like Oneness) who preach another gospel, are accursed. This is what the Bible says. It is not my opinion. It is the Scripture, unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Paul's purpose in the Book of Romans was to explain thoroughly the way of salvation. If you can't give the way of salvation through that book then you must have another gospel. The Bible says that the consequence of having another gospel is to be accursed. This is your chance to show your position.
DHK

 

DHK, I'm sure that you think that you preach what the Bible says, but you are lacking when you leave out the book of Acts. Why are you afraid of it?

I don't go by any other gospel other than the one that the Apostles preached!

REPENT:
Most believe in repentence..do you? Acts 2:38)

BAPTIZED:
Romans 6:3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

SPIRIT FILLED:
Romans 8:9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Acts 2:38-39 sums it all up better than all the books put together. IMO!

Acts 2:38-39
38) Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the HOLY GHOST.
39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to ALL that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

..to all that are far off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. <-----That means you too DHK, if you only realized it. He is still calling! It's just that some aren't listening.

Now, don't tell me that I go by another gospel! As you know, I do believe in the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, just not the way YOU interpret it. That is my right, whether you agree or not.

MEE

 

You have another gospel MEE. You cannot show the gospel outside of the Book of Acts, or without using the Book of Acts. That in itself is a mark of a cult. Of course baptismal regeneration, the requirement of tongues for salvation, and the denial of the trinity are also marks of a cult.

For the third time demonstrate that you know the plan of salvation without using the Book of Acts, or we shall conclude that your "gospel" is "another gospel" the one that Paul speaks of in Gal.1.
DHK

 

Read my answer agian DHK! It wasn't all from the book of Acts. You won't find any other gospel that is different if you search the whole Bible other than what is found in the acts of the Apostles. Are you saying that they weren't saved?

The problem is with you and your interpretation of the Word of God.

Now, about your conclusion that I believe 'another gospel'...think again!

MEE

 

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Which denominations are in your opinion Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum on the Baptist Board?
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IMOHO, the denoms that believe Jesus died for their sins and have recived Him as Savior and Lord of their life.

...as far as the "other gosple" goes, for those who took out the fire insurance plan (i.e. salvation ) just don't forget that "benifits" (gifts of the Spirit) are mentioned too. Even in the OT in Psalms even David metioned benifits.

To me the "other gospel" would be more like wikka, budda-izim (sp?), hindu-izim(sp?), or anything inbetween that does not accept Jesus as their Savior.

I know for a fact that MEE is not in the "other gospel/non-christian" catagory. Not every Christain believes the same as I do either, but I don't go and say they are following "another gospel" and try to bash them for what they believe. If there is error tell them, but you'd better be sure you know what your talking about. BTW, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.......no matter how much they'd "benifit".

I'm saying this sincerely~
Music4Him

 

That narrows it down to one man and his dog, then, which is at least one man short of a church, as Scripture says.

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

It's a serious charge to say that one has another gospel.

I assume the idea of "oneness" stems from verses like Jn 10:30 (I and my father are one).

The biggest potential issue I see is this:

Tongues necessary for salvation.

If one holds ot this then he/she (whether or not he/she realizes it) denies that faith in Christ alone can save, insisting that a WORK be performed as well - and this is heresy because it denies the power of the blood.

However, practicing tongues in itself does not constitute such a problem, even though (I think) it is an error.

 

MEE,
I have read your post, and fail to see where you have answered my question. Why are you unable to show the plan of salvation without using the Book of Acts. I believe this is the mark of a cult.

Philip led the Ethiopian Eunuch to Christ out of the Book of Isaiah, but you need the Book of Acts.
Jesus showed Nicodemus the way of salvation in John 3, but you need the Book of Acts.
Jesus had 12 disciples, all but one believed on him--and without the Book of Acts Or were they unsaved?
Thousands of Christians the world over use the Book of Romans to show the way of salvation to others. It is called "the Romans Road." But you wouldn't know that because you need the Book of Acts.
Many use the Book of John using verses like John 3:16 and John 14:6, without ever going to the Book of Acts. You see, in John 14:6, Jesus says: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; No man comes unto the Father but by me." But you don't believe Jesus words don't you. Your beleive is: "No man can come to heaven but by baptism." You deny the very words of Jesus. You have "another gospel."
You can't show us the way of salvation without going outside of the Book of Acts, can you?
DHK

 

John.7
38) He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

DHK, it's more that just believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. ...."as the scripture hath said,........ You don't seem to understand that. You won't find that the gospel is any different in any book of the Bible than that which was preached on the Day of Pentecost.

The deciples were there when the Holy Ghost fell in that upperroom. They were all, one hundred and twenty of them, including the women, filled with the Holy Ghost. How did they know what had happened...THEY SPOKE IN TONGUES! Keep in mind, this 'was not' the gift of divers kinds of languages, as some would have you to believe. Some call it "The gift of tongues." This gift IS NOT required for salvation.

Later, when 'THIS' was told throughout the city, then they came together to find out what had happened. What happened?...THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS POURED OUT UPON ALL OF THEM, evidenced by speaking in tongues. That's what had happened.

Peter preached repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38) This is for everyone that believed what Peter preached on that day. It also was for the Gentiles later and is still for us today. Jesus is still calling. Wouldn't you agree?

This was the day that we went from the Law to Grace. Why can't you see that? You can't do away with any book of the Bible and that includes especially the book of the acts of the Apostles. You may try..but, it won't work.

For some unknown reason, to this board, you seem, IMO, to hate the book of Acts. I, for one love it, as well as the rest of the Bible.

Now, find someone else to 'badger' and leave me alone!

MEE

 

MEE, I won't stop until you realize that you believe in a false gospel. You may not even be saved. I am not saying that you aren't, but the possibility certainly is there. Salvation is contingent on believing in Christ alone, not Christ and baptism. I fear for your salvation.
Every time you refer to salvation, you refer to the Book of Acts. You can't get away from it. Listen and understand carefully. The Book of Acts is a book of history. The epistles are books of doctrine. You can't base doctrine on historical books without being backed up by doctrinal books. Acts is history, a history of the Acts of the Apostles written in a period of transition between the Old Testament and New Testament dispensations, when many things were changing. Not everything in the Book of Acts applies to the New Testament believer today. It is historical. Don't base your doctrine on a history book.

That is why it is necessary to go to a book like Romans, where Paul explains the doctrine of salvation very carefully. It is worth noting that in this great treatise on soteriology not one mention is made of tongues. Not one mention is made of tongues as the evidence of baptism of the Holy Spirit. Not one mention is made of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We have the most complete explanation of salvation in the Book of Romans and yet none of these things that you stake your salvation on is mentioned in the Book of Romans. Not one mention is made that baptism is necessary to salvation. How do you account for all of these things. Salvation is detailed throughout this book very carefully. It is a book of doctrine, the doctrine of salvation. The Book of Acts is a book of history; the history of the Acts of the Apostles.
The Day of Pentecost, for example was an historical event. It will never happen again. It was a one time event in history. It is not an on-going event. Never again will there be believers speaking in tongues evidenced with a mighty rushing wind, and with cloven tongues of fire hovering above their heads. Do you have those signs too, MEE? It was a historical event. They were real languages, something you have no evidence of. "How hear we every man in our own language?" Do you have evidence of that MEE? It was an historical event never to be repeated again in history.
Your theology is doomed from the beginning because you base it on a book of history, rather than a doctrinal book.
DHK

 

MEE, I won't stop until you realize that you believe in a false gospel. You may not even be saved. I am not saying that you aren't, but the possibility certainly is there. Salvation is contingent on believing in Christ alone, not Christ and baptism. I fear for your salvation.
DHK [/QUOTE]

***Hey, I'm not the one believing in a false gospel. Don't you worry about my salvation..I'm saved! ...thanks to the "Blood of the Lamb!"

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is my savior and my God. If that is all you believe one has to do to be saved...then you should feel sure about my future with the Lord. Right?

MEE

 

No, it is not a matter of what I believe; it is a matter of what you believe.
As far as believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, I would question that too. Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Christ as defined in the Bible)--the second person of the triune Godhead--God from all eternity. He always was God the Word and always will be God the Word, the second person of triune Godhead.
If you don't; then you don't believe in the same Jesus that I do, and you don't believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour because you don't know who Jesus is.

If baptism is part of your salvation you don't know what salvation is all about. You have taken away from the atoning work of Jesus Christ. You have said that the price that he paid on the cross wasn't good enough. You call him a liar when he said: "It is finished." It is like saying, "Wait Jesus, I have to be baptized in order for you to finish my salvation." Heresy! He paid the full price for your salvation. If you believe differently you cannot be saved. If one doesn't believe that Christ fully atoned for their sin they cannot be saved. One is not saved by works (baptism), but by faith and faith alone.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There is a good concise explanation of salvation there, and there is no mention of baptism, because baptism is a work.
DHK

 

No, it is not a matter of what I believe; it is a matter of what you believe.
As far as believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, I would question that too. Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Christ as defined in the Bible)--the second person of the triune Godhead--God from all eternity. He always was God the Word and always will be God the Word, the second person of triune Godhead.
If you don't; then you don't believe in the same Jesus that I do, and you don't believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour because you don't know who Jesus is.

DHK </font>[/QUOTE]If you want to believe that Jesus is suborinate to the God of this world, then that is up to you. No, I don't believe that Jesus comes in second.

Because...Rev. 1:8) He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, wihich is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Colossians 2:9-10)
9)For in him dwelleth all of the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
10) And ye are comlete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

1 Tim. 3:16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

One God! ...and HE DID IT ALL!

Possibly you should drop this subject, since it is off topic. Sorry about that BB, on my part.

MEE

 

DHK wrote:

Then what are we to do with Paul's declaration that all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2Ti 3:16-17

Is that all Scripture or all Scripture except for the Book of Acts.

Did Peter preach a different Gospel in Acts 4? Did he not say," Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Act 4:12

What about Paul and Silas and the Philippian jailer?

Then he escorted them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." Act 16:30-31

MEE wrote:

Imagine our shock if Paul's answer was, "I can't tell you right now. In a few years I will be arrested and imprisoned. I plan on writing a letter to the church I haven't planted here yet; and then you will find the answer to your question.

I thought you weren't supposed to question someone's salvation on this BB and that it should be brought to the attention of the moderator. Oops, my bad DHK. You are the moderator. My apologies.

If you are really concerned for MEE's salvation the why don't you share the Roman Road with her with love and compassion. Have you offered to pray with her?

Probably not.

 

Perhaps you haven't been following this thread closely enough Padreurand. All Scripture is profitable including the Book of Acts--not just the Book of Acts. That is the problem. MEE cannot demostrate the gospel apart from the Book of Acts. She is stuck there. I have asked her four or five times now to demonstrate that she knows what it means to be saved without using the Book of Acts--as in the Romans Road for instance. But she won't do it. She doesn't believe in the Romans Road. She believes in another gospel, a gospel that cannot be found anywhere but by twisting Scripture that is found only in the Book of Acts. Leave out the Book of Acts, and you leave out salvation according to MEE. But I am glad that salvation is not according to MEE. I can show you the plan of salvation in almost every New Testament book, and in many of the Old Testament books of the Bible. It is not confined to the Book of Acts, as MEE asserts that it is.
DHK

 

I've been watching it like a hawk, since the OP, waiting for somebody to pounce on the United Methodist. I guess I'll just have to wait - much to my disappointment.

And you appear to be stuck in the next one

Then literally millions are hopelessly lost. The Roman Road is a method of evangelism not the only text that are available.

I've read every post of hers since November and I have never seen her write that.

Let's ask her. MEE, do you believe in the Roman Road?

 

I cannot tell you its origin, but the Roman Road is a systematic method for sharing the Gospel from the book of Romans.

Romans 3:23: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:23a: For the wages of sin is death,

Romans 6:23b: but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 5:8: But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 10:9-10: that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

This verse is used sometimes as well;
Romans 10:13: for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

Of course it is not the only way to witness but it is easily memorized and does cover the basics.

 

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Of course it is not the only way to witness but it is easily memorized and does cover the basics.
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Yep, cause I have to stop by and visit Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Also while on the same road selling fire insurance I tend to have a desire to go ahead and tell 'em about the benifits too in Acts and Psalms.

 

Sure, I believe everything in the book of Romans. No reason not to, it's part of the Bible.

MEE