Which denoms are Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum?

Sure, I believe everything in the book of Romans. No reason not to, it's part of the Bible.

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]Your answer is evasive MEE.
Do you believe that salvation can be found in the Book of Romans using the Romans Road without going to the Book of Acts?
DHK

 

Sure, I believe everything in the book of Romans. No reason not to, it's part of the Bible.

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]Your answer is evasive MEE.
Do you believe that salvation can be found in the Book of Romans using the Romans Road without going to the Book of Acts?
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]What are you trying to do DHK, attempting to make a Baptist out of me?

Guess what?...it ani't gonna happen!!!

Now, go away!!!

MEE

 

May I suggest that your next poll include a "none of the above" choice? I wasn't going to check any of the choices in the second part, but that wasn't allowed. Since I had to mark one, I chose "Believing Jews/Moslims/Christians worship the same God", though I don't think that such a belief automatically disqualifies one for Christianity.

Being a newbie here, may I ask, mioque, if there is a reason why you spell Jesus' name with a z? I know some people prefer to write G_d instead of God out of reverence for His name, and I wondered if this was some variation.

Never

 

Well that explains it! I really hadn't noticed where you are from!

 

Wow! I just checked the stats on the poll and under the question .......Which denoms are Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum? Methodism is leading at 87% (62) and Calvinism (Reformed churches) @ 85% (60). BTW, is Methodism closer to Catholicism than Baptism ( Baptism &lt;--&gt; being a Baptist in doctrine terms that is... )?

Under the question ........What would make a denomination unsuitable? Not believing in the Trinity comes in as being the #1 No, no @ 65% (46). #2 is believing Jews/Moslims/Christians worship the same God 54% (38). I guess this sheds light on the constant questioning of MEE.

 

Perhaps the poll is not so flawed in and of itself, but it shows some ignornance of those who voted in it.
For example: Of all the various divisions of the Catholic Church, of those who voted 61% considered the Catholics a Christian denomination.
Now skip down to the second question of the poll. What would make the denomination not suitable to be considered Christian? The very first on the list is "baptismal regeneration." 25% say that baptismal regeneration puts the denomination out of Christendom. The Catholic Church believes in baptismal regeneration.
21% believe in infant baptism--RCC believe in this.
21% not believing in sola Scriptura--RCC don't believe in sola Scriptura.
23% have a different Biblical canon--RCC have a different Biblical Canon.
31% believe in transubstantiantion is enough to make a religion non-Christian, and this is one of the most important factor of the Catholic religion.

The stats really don't add up. How can a religion that beleives in so much heresy, still be considered a Christian denomination?

For those of 25% of you that believe, belief in baptismal regeneration excludes one from being a Christian denomination I applaud you, but have a question for the rest of the 75%.
Since when does water save? How does the water of baptism wash away sin? Does water have magical powers? Do you beieve in superstions, or just that the blood of Christ was not sufficient enough to wash away your sin. I agee with Jeremiah when he said:

Jeremiah 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.

Baptism is part of salvation? Not according to the Bible. This belief is heresy.

65% put belief in the Trinity as essential to be a Christian denomination. Yes, you hit the nail on the head Music4Him. The Oneness Pentecostal does not believe in the Trinity and thus cannot be considered a Christian denomoination--one of the main reasons it is considered a cult.
DHK

 

Well I have to agree on the baptismal regeneration because it the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from sins.....(if it was water then some would be at the (up the) creek every day .)

I can understand the where the Oneness comes from in the respect to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God in three persons....making God one being. Although even with that I still see the three persons(?) of God thus the Trinity ~Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

www.carm.org

We believe that there are three persons in one God, not three manifestations of one God. There is a big difference. The latter is denial of the trinity. A person exists and has identity. A person is aware of its own identity. A person will use such statements as: "I am," "me," etc.

How does the Oneness people account for the PERSON of God the Father speaking as a person to the PERSON of God the Son when He was being baptized, all the while that the PERSON of God the Holy Spirit was descending upon Him in a visible form??
There are three persons in one God.

The Jehovah Witnesses deny the deity of Christ for the simple reason that they don't understand it. Because the Oneness doesn't understand the trinity they reject it. I may not understand many things in the Bible, but that doesn't mean I reject them. I accept the teachings of the Bible by faith, because the Bible teaches them whether or not I understand them. How can a finite mind understand an infinite God.

The Oneness people look at the trinity in this way. I am one person. I am a father to my son. I am a son to my father. I am a husband to my wife. But I am only one person. In being one person, and only one person I have three roles to play: father, son, and husband. That is the way that the Oneness view God. One God with three different roles. And that is a denial of the triune Godhead. It is heresy.
DHK

 

Hey DHK, neat web site that you mentioned in the post above!
BTW, I took Christian Doctrine Test and passed! Whew! Maybe some others might like try the 20 question test at.............

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/test.htm

...just to see?

Music4Him

BTW, ya'll #4 was tricky to me because it asked how many natures does Jesus have......well I thought it was 3.... God, man and spirit--&gt; (i.e. when He spoke to Paul). Well I must of been thinking ahead too much for that question? huh?

 

Words fail to applaud you, DHK! Really, after I have read this post, I bowed my head and thanked God.

 

The stats do add up as it was a multiple poll - the same 21%-31% who voted in the stats you quoted help make up the 39% who don't think Catholicism is Christian, I would suggest.

As to baptism, well it all depends how you interpret I Peter 3:21; if you interpret that verse literally then baptism effecting salvation is very much "according to the Bible"...Not saying I believe that, but there's more than one way to skin a cat here...

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

I do interpret 1Pet.3:21 literally, and it does not teach baptismal regeneration (that baptism saves), in the same way that Psalm 14:1 does not teach "There is no God" although that is exactly what it says.
DHK

 

How can that be, without claiming that the author of 1 Peter was a fool?

I don't believe in baptismal regeneration either, but I don't claim 1 Peter 3:21 is somehow similar to the psalmist's statement of what a fool believes.

 

Psalm 14:1 "There is no God"
1Peter 3:21 "Baptism saves"

Both statements are found in their respective references. Both statements, taken out of their contexts are obviously false.
DHK

 

Hey--- this is great! Only 22% said that a church was unsuitable if they believe in British-Israelism. That means 78% of the churches won't kick me out as soon as I walk thru their door! (And I won't have to hang my hat, coat, and brains at their doors, either)

 

Yes, and when you put the context back in with the Psalm, you see that the reason for the statement being false is because it is actually a quote from a fool. What's the reason, according to context, for disregarding what 1 Peter 3:21 says? It's not nearly as simple as your comparison to Psalm 14:1 makes it sound.

 

It is as simple.
No where in the Bible does it teach atheism (Psalm 14:1)
No where in the Bible does it teach salvation by works (Eph.2:8,9), as some would try and force 1Pet.3:21 to teach. Baptism is a work, a work that man does. Water does not save and never has. This unbiblical teaching goes contrary to all the other teaching of the Bible. It obviously doesn't teach what some people think it teaches. They take it out of context just as I took "there is no God" out of context. You can make the Bible say anything you want if you try hard enough.
What does the water symbolize. Go back a verse or two. The water symbolizes destruction. The entire world was destroyed by water in Noah's time as the context bears out. What saved Noah and those that were with him? It was the ark that was in the water. It wasn't the water that saved; it was Christ, that the ark represented. It is not the water that saves; it is Jesus; the ark represents Jesus saving out of the destructive waters of sin.
Context is very important here. The only one that ever saved any one is Jesus. Jesus saves.
DHK