True. Which is why I have not argued that. I have stated that the Bible, in another place where it institutes an ordinance, uses the same type of symbolic language we find in Exodus 20:11.Originally posted by BobRyan:
Simply arguing that "there exists some form of literature in the world that uses A for a conventin" is not a "form of exegesis".
No, I've made clear that evolution is not the issue here. You didn't address the fact that the same arguments I've made are also made by some people who reject evolution (see the link near the bottom of my last post).Don't you see how that is "not" exegesis?
OR are you arguing that the primary audience of Exodus 20 thought "evolutionism" every time they heard "for in SIX DAYS the LORD"...
And are you then also insisting that the people of John 6 starting BITING CHRIST??
And no, the people of John 6 did not start biting Christ. They said, "This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?" "His disciples grumbled at this" and "As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore" (John 6:60-61, 66). If only they had known Jesus was just speaking symbolically! About the only clue is what Jesus said to his inner circle: "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life" (John 6:63).
Your first paragraph is confused: I said Hebrews 4 refers to the Genesis 1-2:3 creation account, not that it summarizes it. As to your second paragraph, nobody is claiming that Hebrews 4 edits Genesis 1. It helps us understand how Genesis 1 was intended. Apparently, the seventh day is ongoing.Actually that is not true. Hebrews 4 does NOT give the summary of Gen 1-2:3 that we find in God's own oratory given in Exodus 20:8-11.
Hebrews 4 is never stated in such as way as to edit the text of Genesis or of Exodus 20.
No, I gave a summary of what the text says. "On day one, God creates light (called Day) and separates it from darkness (called Night). On day four, God creates luminaries to separate day from night. Since the same one-time event (the separation of day from night) is described on two non-consecutive days, this is a neon sign that the days are not historical or chronological."You tried to equivocate beteen the separation of "light and darkness" in vs 4-5 and the idea of the Sun ruling the day and the moon ruling the night. However it is obvious that the moon does not divide the light from the dark.
There's no equivocation there. Your claim that it is "obvious that the moon does not divide the light from the dark" is just your own attempt to read science into the Bible. On the fourth day, God said "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night". That contradicts what you have said.
Your problem is in the third claim. I have never said that Genesis 2:4-25 does not have a chronology. I have stated in this thread explicitly and repeatedly that it does.You admitted that Gen 1-2:3 IS a Chronology.
you admitted that IT DOES have the TIME elements of a CHRONology
You admitted that Gen 2:4-end does not.
I have never claimed those elements were missing. What I said was based on your original statement about the evening/morning repetition in Genesis 1 being a key proof of its historicity. I pointed out that the gospels do not use a similar evening/morning repetition. At that point, you moved the goal posts and said they contained other chronological indicators -- a point that is obvious to all and that I've never denied.Yet "Another" claim that was proven to be false. I showed you that the gospel DO contain Chronological elements like "The 6th hour" and the "9th hour" and "WEEK-day-1" and the next day and EARLY in the morning as it began to dawn etc
ALL of them chronological terms - NONE of them found in Gen 2:4-end
However, none of those chronological statements you listed are found in Genesis 3. Does that mean you think Genesis 3 has no chronology? I think it does have a pretty clear order of events. The statements you listed are not at all necessary for a text to contain a chronology.