Keep commandments?The tree of life?

Because the bible tells me so in Gal.5:1-4. "It was for liberty that Christ freed us [from the law]. So stand firm, and do not take upon yourself the yoke of slavery [to the law] a second time! Pay close attention to me, Paul, when I tell you that you have yourself circumsized [by the law], Christ will be of no use to you! I point out once more to all who recieve circumcision that they are bound to the law in its entirety. Any of you who seek your justification in the law have severed yourself from Christ and fallen from Gods favor!

Be reminded here that the laws were given to Moses for the conviction of sin from which follows that conviction is needed as shown in Gal.2:17 "But, if in seeking to be justified we are shown to be sinners."

This means that after justification the laws are redundant because "in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor the lack of it count for anything: only faith, which expresses itself through love" (Gal.5:6).

Hence, 1Jn.3:9, "he who is in Christ cannot sin" with later Rev.14:6-12 denouncing "what sustains those holy ones who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus."

Could you please tell me which translation you have because I find you Gen. qoute either incomplete or wrong.

Gloria

 

Catholics believe the Ten Commandments are still in effect for Christians. In fact, many of us use them when preparing for the Sacrament of Penance.

We do not keep the ceremonial part of the Sabbath day which was for the Israelites throughout their generations. But we do keep the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, on which Jesus Christ was resurrected. Not a day of rest in the same way that the Jews keep a day. We are called to rest from servile labor on that day as much as is possible. But our primary emphasis is on the day as a day of worship and spiritual emphasis. We go to Mass, should do more spiritual reading, more prayer, etc. A good day to spend with family and friends and to visit those in nursing homes, hospital, homebound, etc.

Nothing legalistic in our observance, but the most special day of the week.
Pauline

 

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Perhaps, but Sunday is extra special as the seventh day of the week which is the day on which evening did not follow the day. Easter is always celebrated on a Sunday and is celebrated for two days because 'moonday' cannot follow the day on which evening did not follow the day.

It is perhaps interesting to note here that in some European countries Sunday is the seventh day of the week.

Maybe it is just the printers that are wrong either here or there.

Gloria

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Gloria1 ]

 

Gap, how many commandments have you broken?

 

Hi GAPS,

And Welcome to the BB!

The Ten Commandments are very much in effect -- for everyone who is under the law!

Does that mean that Christians are not to obey the Ten Commandments? No way! It means we are not JUDGED by them in terms of our eternal destiny, as we are covered by Christ.

There are a few points to add to this, though.

1. Christ said that ALL the law, and ALL the prophets hang on the two commands to love God with everything we have and to love our neighbor as ourselves. This explanation of the foundation of the Law gives us the right focus. Thus we are not to concentrate on obeying the letter of the law (not that is not to be obeyed -- that is not where our concentration should be), but on Christ and our fellow man. You see, when we concentrate on obeying the Law, we end up concentrating on ourselves. Christ's words redirected our focus to where it should have been all along. There is a good explanation of the problems of obeying the law for the sake of the law in Isaiah 1.

2. When a person is born again of the Holy Spirit, he or she no longer has a heart that inclines, or tends toward, evil always (Genesis 8:21). Instead we have a new heart, one that inclines toward God and wants to obey Him. It may take us some time, but He is faithful to mature each of us until we are in the image of Jesus Christ Himself (Romans 8:28-30).

3. When a Christian goofs up, he or she is disciplined (Hebrews 12), in line with the promise of God to complete what He started in each of our lives (Philippians 1:6 and the Romans 8 reference again.)


The truth is that without the Holy Spirit indwelling a person, it is impossible to keep the commandments! It is only through Jesus they can be kept at all.

Paul says some interesting things in Romans 7:7 and 10-11 (and please read all that is in between and the rest of the Bible, too!)

What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have known what sin was except through the law....I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.


The law shows us what sin is. The natural man, as soon as he finds out what is forbidden, wants it! And since actions spring from the heart, the guy is a dead man spiritually in thought as well as in deed! So no matter how much we try to obey the law on our own, we simply cannot do it! We can try and try, and many have. Their concentration becomes focused on their every word and action, to the exclusion of so much else.

Now take a look at what Jesus said, at the very beginning of the Sermon on the Mount:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And if He fulfilled them, then, if we are in Him (which we are when we are born again -- John 14:20), then not only is the Law fulfilled through Him, but we ourselves are finally able to obey more and more of the Law as we finally have a heart for it!

And please note in Revelation 22:2, that the Tree of Life will be for healing.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pauline:
Catholics believe the Ten Commandments are still in effect for Christians. In fact, many of us use them when preparing for the Sacrament of Penance.
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Can u list the ten commandments as taught by the Catholic church? this is not an insult to ur intellect ok. But i watch a video recently regarding this. so i would like to clarify.

btw, Helen that is an excellent post.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Can u list the ten commandments as taught by the Catholic church? this is not an insult to ur intellect ok. But i watch a video recently regarding this. so i would like to clarify. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We have the same commandments...different numbering since the bible doesn't number them. Here is a comparison.
http://www.falwell.com/press%20statements/prsarchives/prstencom.htm

God Bless

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: Disciple 2001 ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Disciple 2001:

Here is a comparison.
http://www.falwell.com/press%20statements/prsarchives/prstencom.htm
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Since when did the Catholic Church revise their Catechism, Disciple? Perhaps you could do some research for us. I have an old catechism with the first commandment where the phrase "you shall not make for yourself any graven image," is omitted. Can't find it anywhere mentioned. In fact in most Catholic copies of the Ten Commandments that particular command is ommitted--perhaps deliberately?? Why would it suddenly show up here? Perhaps for ecumenical purposes? Got any good explanations?
DHK

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

Disciple, that was a nifty site but as so often happens falwel got it partially wrong. Lutheran's divided the ten commandments similarly to the rcc. They are a little too broad in their catagories.

 

If you don't like the side by side comparison, here is from the old children's Baltimore Catechism which children would memorize verbatim from:

313. Q. Which are the Commandments of God?
A. The Commandments of God are these ten.

1. I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor thy father and thy mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

Here is the adult Catechism of the Catholic Church with the teaching of the Ten Commandments spelled out and a couple of other sites.

All the commandments are here, taught and explained. By the way, the Catholic Church teaches the Ten Commmandments are for all Christians.
&lt;A HREF="http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/part3_2.html" TARGET=_blank&gt;http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/part3_2.html[/URL]&lt;/A&gt;
http://www.ewtn.com/library/SOURCES/TA-CAT-2.TXT
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/NUMBERNG.htm

How do you know that the numbering system you are using is correct or better than numbering the Catholics use? Can you back it up with Scripture? As far abreviated versions, this is done to make it easy for children to memorize. I understand that the Protestants do this also.

Fallwells site was actually very good because he is showing that there would be no problem with either list of the Ten Commandments displayed in public because the Commandments are all there. There is no difference between the two.

God Bless

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: Disciple 2001 ]

 

DHK,
Could you post the commandments in the list you have? And, could you tell us more about the catechism it is in? What age is it written for? Who published it?

How many Catholic catechisms have you examined to know how they worded their Ten Commandments?
Pauline

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: Pauline ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAPS119X20:

Keep the 10 commandments = love
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Do you keep the Ten Commandments? All of the Time? "Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
(James 2:10).

Gal.3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."
---If you are bound to keeping the law, are you cursed?

DHK

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pauline:
DHK,
Could you post the commandments in the list you have? And, could you tell us more about the catechism it is in? What age is it written for? Who published it?
How many Catholic catechisms have you examined to know how they worded their Ten Commandments?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have some of my own Catholic material which I can refer to and give you the publisher and date of publication, etc. if you wish. The testimony of so many Protestants, and others who say the same thing should be sufficient to convince any objective thinker. Do you think we were all just dreaming or hallucinating when we testify to being taught or having seen and bearing witness to these things. Consider carefully what you say.
Here are a couple of other links that testify of the same thing: http://www.sxws.com/davidg/ninecomd.htm http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/tencomma.htm

DHK

 

right, it says the same thing as i watch the video... and this is the testimony of a former catholic priest!

i think i can start many more threads in regard to catholic doctrines. But i would need the Catholics here to vet the truths in the video. After that we can go and see what the scriptures says. how is that?

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: ventin ]

 

ventin,
Please give us the name of the Catholic priest that you are refering to. Was he an order priest, if so which order? Was he a diocesean priest, if so which diocese did he serve in? Please give us some details about him so we can check out his credentials for speaking about the Catholic beliefs and practices. Also, the title and date of the video and who published it would be helpful.
What do you personally know about the credentials of those who made the video and those featured in it? Maybe you can give us an address from the video?

DHK,
Those links you posted are not worthy of you. God created you for better than that.

Yes, please give me the exact quote of the Ten Commandments from the Catholic book you have, the title, author, date of publication of the book, name and location of publisher and what age person it is written for.

Thank you,
Pauline

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Pauline ]

 

Pauline,
The material I remember having was published by the Knights of Columbus, just like this material on this website comes from them.

THE TEN COMMANMENTS

I. I AM THE LORD THY GOD: THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME.

II. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.

III. REMEMBER THOU KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY

IV. HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER

V. THOU SHALT NOT KILL

VI. THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY

VII. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

VIII. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBORS

IX. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE

X. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS


The Knights of Columbus have graciously provided an online mini-course, which does what this guidebook would otherwise have to do:
http://www.banner.faithweb.com/xtheten.htm
DHK