Keep commandments?The tree of life?

Hi Pauline
Scripture does seem to indicate that the heads of these religions know what they are doing.The new testament points to them and the old verifys it and what they have done to the law of GOD.Ezek.22 calls it a conspiracy amoung her prophets!That cant be any clearer as to their intent

1 PETER 5[8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking
whom he may devour:

the devil-roaring lion-

MATT.7[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

False prophets-ravening wolves

ACTS 20[29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

More wolves

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Vanity-Clean and unclean-greed

ZEPH.3[1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city![2] She obeyed not the voice; she received
not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.[3] Her princes within her are roaring
lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.[4] Her prophets are light and
treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.[5] The just LORD is
in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.[6] I have cut off the nations: their towers are desolate; I made their streets waste, that
none passeth by: their cities are destroyed, so that there is no man, that there is none inhabitant.[7] I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.[8] Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

More lions and wolves and false prophets doing violence to GODS LAW! And yes, Zeph.3 verse 8 is describing things
that will take place on THE DAY OF THE LORD!

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

roaring lions-vanity-ravening wolves-conspiracy of her prophets-violated MY law-dishonest gain
HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS-the day of indignation=THE DAY OF THE LORD!

 

THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY

ISAIAH 8 [16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.[17] And I will wait upon the LORD, that
hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.[18] Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.[19] And
when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?[20] To the law and to the testimony: if they
speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse
their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

No light in those people who do not keep the law and have the testimony of Christ
and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse
their king and their God, and look upward.(dont let this happen to you)

PSALM 78 [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.[2] I will open my mouth
in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:[3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
[4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.[5] For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law
in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:[6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
[7] That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
[8] And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.[9] The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.[10] They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;

Notice in verse 9 and 10, no where does it say Ephraim did not have the testimony of Christ. Only that they would not walk in the law.

PSALM 19 [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise
the simple.[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The bridegroom coming out of his chamber - nothing hid from the heat - THE DAY OF THE LORD
The law and the testimony

REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
Its not pick one or the other!
Whats so hard to understand?

 

Were the 10 commandments nailed to the cross?
Or was it the law contained in ordinances as the bible says

MATT.19 [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If thou wilt enter life,keep the commandments! Murder-steal-false witness! The 10 commandments! If you will notice
in Matt.19 that the commandment "you will have no other gods before me" is not written there. Does this mean we can ignore that commandment?

1JOHN2 [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

If you say you know GOD and are not keeping the 10 commandments,this passage from the new testament calls you a liar!

1JOHN5[1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

. Many have come in the name of Jesus, saying we are no longer under the law, therefore we need not keep the ten commandments. They fail to tell you that the law that was nailed to the cross was the law contained in ordinances!
Which has nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

JAMES 2 [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Adultery-kill (sound familiar) how can you transgress these commandments if they were nailed to the cross? If you break the sabbath commandment are you also a transgressor? Or do you get to pick and choose whatever commandments you wish to follow?All those who practice iniquity (lawlessness) have one thing in common. They all want to break GODS sabbath command. Some will say the whole law(includind the 10 commandments) was nailed to the cross. Some will say that Jesus is now our sabbath rest. In the above scripture it states that if you break one point of the 10 commandments
you are guilty of all. Has the whole world been decieved?According to scripture, it appears so!

REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REV.14 [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.[13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

These last 2 verses which are taken out of the last book of the bible leads me to believe that
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

Hi DHK
I do try and keep GODS sabbath as best i can.

ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

This is the scripture i follow in keeping the sabbath.There are no churches in this area where i can go on the sabbath.All here sanctify sunday as the day of rest.

 

HI all
I keep the commandment as given.I do not add all those little extras on the commandment as the Jews did.Jesus picked corn on the sabbath and healed on the sabbath.And HE was without sin.According to those who practice lawlessness,the commandments were not nailed to the cross till Jesus was crucified.So in effect they are saying Jesus broke the commandments just as the Jews did.I am not a 7th day adventist as they deny the only sign to be given.The sign of Jonah.As do most christians.They also deny the fact that Jesus will return to earth at HIS 2nd coming as written in ZECH.14 verse 4.

 

Hi DHK
I believe you said something about starting a fire on the sabbath.I always wondered about that.In the new testament it says Jesus was the WORD that became flesh.While HE was here HE spoke in parables,so i thought i would look into it.Sure enough!

kindle no fire-fire and the tounge

EXOD.35 [2] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.[3] Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

PROVERBS 26 [20] Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
[21] As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.
[22] The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

JAMES 3 [4] Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.[5] Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth![6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on
fire of hell.[7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath
been tamed of mankind:[8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

JER.17 [26] And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.[27] But if ye will not
hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on
the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

Aint the WORD of GOD great!

 

Hi Pauline-you wrote

In NT times the Christians were already keeping the first day of the week, calling it the Lord's Day.

Where do you find this in the bible?

 

Hi again Pauline
You wrote
Christ fulfilled the old law and gave us the new law, which actually is a higher, most demanding law because it is a law of love.

ARE GODS PEOPLE KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS
or is "all ya need is love"

GALATIANS 5 [13] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the
flesh, but by love serve one another.[14] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself.
JOHN 13 [33] Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews,
Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.[34] A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have
love one to another.

The 2 above scriptures are used by those who practice iniquity(lawlessness).They interpret these to mean, if you love one
another you need not keep the 10 commandments. But what does the bible say?You can read about those who practice lawlessness in 2Thes.2 verse 7.If you have a KJV bible.

All the scriptures below tell us how we are to love one another. And there all quite clear!
Keep the 10 commandments = love

JOHN 15 [8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.[9] As the Father
hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2JOHN1 [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which
we had from the beginning, that we love one another.[6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

JAMES 2 [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do
well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said, Do not
commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a
transgressor of the law.

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I decided to show the scripture of James 2 and Romans 13 because there will be some out there that will tell you the
"commandments" mentioned are not the 10 commandments. But as you can see in these scriptures, adultry killing, stealing, bearing false witness, covetness are mentioned. There will also be some out there that will tell you since the" keeping of the sabbath" is not mentioned or" thou shalt have no other gods before me"is not mentioned these commandments can be ignored. YIKES!

If you are not- committing adultry,killing,stealing,bearing false witness,coveting,or breaking
any other commandment,You are keeping the law! If you are not keeping the law,you are not loving one another(according to the bible) !!

 

JESUS PAUL AND THE GENTILES

LUKE 4 [14] And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through
all the region round about.[15] And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.[16] And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up
for to read.

JESUS kept the sabbath

ACTS 17 [2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that
this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

PAUL kept the sabbath

ACTS 13 [42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.[43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

GENTILES taught on the sabbath

Not to mention theres no where in the new testament where sabbath has been changed

MARK 7 [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

 

Hi DHK - you wrote
"If you are not keeping the law, you are not loving one another(according to the bible) !!"
This is a warped interpretation of the Bible, and is not what Jesus or the Apostles taught. In fact they taught the exact opposite:
Gal.3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

The book of GALATIANS

The book of Galatians is book containing 6 short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is
mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned at all. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. Circumcision is one of the laws contained in ordinances.Those laws were nailed to the cross according to scripture.

COL.2 [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

EPH.2 [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

They will also try and tell you that the law of ordinances are not separate from
the commandments or the law so i have sent scripture below to prove that this to is not true.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

 

Hi DHK-you also wrote
In verse 13 the Lord speaks to none other than Israel. That is His audience--Israel. He says, Ye-- Israel shall keep my sabbaths. "It is a SIGN between ME and YOU throughout your generations." Again in verse 17 He says it is a SIGN between ME and the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL for ever."
This commandment was never given to the gentiles. It was never given to Christians to keep.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Are you a man or woman DHK.If so GOD made the sabbath for you.Who is lord over your day of rest?