1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Will the Board Bushies ever admit Iraq is a mess?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by LadyEagle, Sep 19, 2004.

  1. SpiritualMadMan

    SpiritualMadMan New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    2,734
    Likes Received:
    0
    PJ...

    Unfortunately the documents seem to indiocate otherwise...

    Greed & Hatred for the US has made some strange bed-fellows...

    France, Germany, Russia...

    Iraq and Al Queda...

    That high level Iraqi Party Officials met with high level Al Queda leaders was not challenged by the 9-11 report. In fact it was accepted as fact...

    The OFF (Oil For Food) program is coming out in the light more and more and the depth of the back stabbing, greed, compromise and corruption of these 'stalwart' allies and the UN General Assembly is already staggering...

    More to come...

    Bush didn't kill our boys...

    The UN did! with help from France, Germany and Russia.
     
  2. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2000
    Messages:
    7,693
    Likes Received:
    0
    Wow, France, Germany, and Russia are killing our troops. Quite a claim.

    I never have liked the French too much. But they acted in their nation's best interest by staying clear of the Iraq mess. I wish we had politicians who worked on our best interests. Gotta hand it to the French on that point.
     
  3. jimbob

    jimbob New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is not a mess...it is a war zone.
    Those crazies have declared jihad on the great satan...umm, that would be us. They want to kill you and me. I would rather the killing happen over there if it is going to happen at all.

    Those countries that you mention:
    Iraq, Iran, Syria...etc.... were created by the Brits as part of their empire. The people are united by heritage and religion across national boundaries. We should ignore the boundaries too.

    Ladyeagle you claim:

    "Certain people in this administration have made money off of this war. "

    Who ? How ?
    Where did you come by this information ?
    Have you verified that it is accurate ?
     
  4. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2000
    Messages:
    7,693
    Likes Received:
    0
    Really? I thought it was Saudi Shiites who attacked us. You know, Shiites, like we're turning Iraq over to.
     
  5. jimbob

    jimbob New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    My point is that whether they are from Saudi/Syria/Iraq/Iran does not matter.
    Those who are following this radical form of Islam are terrorists no matter what passport they have.
     
  6. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2000
    Messages:
    7,693
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yep, I agree. That's why I don't think the present policy of removing Hussein, who kept them under control, and putting them in power, is very smart. Not to mention the poor 1000+ soldiers who have died doing it.
     
  7. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Even Indiana Senator Lugar has complained about the war. The issue is on everyone's minds. It is better to fight the terrorists in Iraq than in Nashville, TN. Imagine what Nashville would be like if it were like Baghdad now.

    What we are all really waiting on is not the BB Bush supporters to admit the war is a mess, which few of us have any direct knowledge--one time in the Pacific during World War II the USA lost a thousand marines in one day--but we are waiting for the Constitution Party righties to admit that Peroutka is wrong when he says the war in Iraq is illegal. But then the righties don't care. They are against the war and the troops are cannon fodder to the righties.
     
  8. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2000
    Messages:
    7,693
    Likes Received:
    0
  9. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2000
    Messages:
    7,693
    Likes Received:
    0
    CMG,

    I literally at times sit down and weep for our soldiers in Iraq. The horror of what they are going through is nothing I would want to see. I have personal friends who have served there. THAT is why I oppose what I consider an unnecessary and ill-advised war in Iraq.

    My father was a WWII veteran. Two of my brothers are Vietnam era veterans. One came home from USMC service in Viet Nam with the cancerous poison of Agent Orange in his body. I visit his grave from time to time.

    To have you make cynical, unfounded statements like you did in your above post is more than I will sit down and take without comment.
     
  10. The Galatian

    The Galatian Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    1
    Lady Eagle says..

    Yeah, and I was wrong. My thought was that not even Bush would be dumb enough to just leave the borders open for the enemy to slip in and out.

    You were right. He is.
     
  11. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    20,253
    Likes Received:
    1,381
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Islam is not suited to a republican form of government, and it is a futile attempt to build such a society in an Islamic state.

    Bush's efforts in Iraq, though honorable, will fail.
     
  12. The Galatian

    The Galatian Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    1
    I can understand your anger, Jim. And you certainly have a right to be outraged.

    However, I think mouse is less mean than just a diehard GOPist. If Kerry had been nominated by the Republican wing of the party, mouse would be singing his praises.
     
  13. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    TOP 5 DEFENSE CONTRACTORS 2002
    http://www.dior.whs.mil/peidhome/procstat/p01/fy2002/top100.htm

    Lockheed Martin
    Boeing
    Northrop
    Raytheon
    General Dynamics

    (Lynne Cheney on Board of Directors Lockheed Martin thru 2001)

    TOP 5 2004 -
    2004 Company Revenue
    Northrop Grumman Corp. $3,556,118,000
    Lockheed Martin Corp. $2,654,089,000
    Boeing Co. $2,468,121,000
    Raytheon Co. $2,285,953,000
    General Dynamics Corp. $2,136,292,000

    Source: http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100/2004/defense_revenue.html

    (I listed two different years to show you that they may switch places but have been in the top five consistently).

    http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/cabinet.asp##1

    (Open Secrets is a watch dog group on politicians of both parties.)

    Donald Rumsfeld

    http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/cabinet/cabinet.rumsfeld.asp

    Colin Powell

    http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/cabinet/cabinet.powell.asp


    Source

    Another Carlyle article

    My disgust is bipartisan:

    Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle's wife, Linda:

    Washington monthly

    Sadly, most people don't care. They just look at the campaign rhetoric and promises and don't care to delve into the backgrounds and financial entanglements (which are like corn roots) in Washington, DC. It's a club of elitists, and all the major players of both parties are strategically connected to each other through their portfolios behind closed doors - and palms are greased, backs are slapped and whatever is put out for public consumption is just that. The American people really don't know the truth, and the few who find out snippets here and there are scoffed at. The media doesn't expose anyone. You'd have thought the Kerry crowd would have been all over the Bush/bin Laden/Carlyle connection, but they haven't been. There is only one reason that could be - they have their own skeletons and financial entanglements. All of the fodder about a war that happened 30 some years ago is just a distraction from the real issues and from what is really taking place behind the scenes. Of course, the few of us who bother to dig or bring any of it up, are considered conspiracy theorists or way out.

    Pick a name in the Presidential cabinet and pick one of the top five defense contractors and google. Google on the Trilateral Commission and Council of Foreign Relations. If you really want to dig & find out truth, it's all out there on the web finally. Some of us have known about some of this stuff for decades, before there was an Internet. Now it's easy to dig with Google.

    Believe it or not, some people on this board think all of this is fine - it's called capitalism, they say.

    But I seriously doubt this arrangement of elected officials and their appointees making domestic and foreign policy that creates personal wealth for themselves or their families from shares they own or personal interests they have in a corporation that is paid by tax payer money through government contracts was the kind of representative government our founding fathers had in mind.

    [ September 20, 2004, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
  14. Helen

    Helen <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2001
    Messages:
    11,703
    Likes Received:
    2
    I scanned the thread quickly. Yes, of course Iraq is a mess. It was a mess before. It will continue to be a mess.

    Would Kerry have done better? Who's to know? Before, it took two Jews to get three opinions. Now it only takes Kerry...
     
  15. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    22,016
    Likes Received:
    487
    Faith:
    Baptist
  16. Rooster

    Rooster New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    0
    &gt;
    &gt;NO OUTCRY??
    &gt;
    &gt; I am not condoning what happened to the Iraqi
    &gt;prisoners...however, I think it is vitally important
    &gt;that we have these matters in proper perspective...
    &gt;
    &gt; * Saddam had Iraqi men, women and children put to
    &gt;death in human meat grinders on a daily basis...&gt;
    &gt; *Saddam had people thrown off of 3 - 4 story
    &gt;buildings, while their relatives were forced to
    &gt;watch...&gt;
    &gt; * Saddam had people's tongues cut out, limbs
    &gt;chopped of, and even beheaded, while their families
    &gt;were forced to watch...&gt;
    &gt; * Saddam's sons, as well as other Administrators
    &gt;and military personnel raped and sodomized Iraqi
    &gt;girls, some as young as 8 years old, on a daily
    &gt;basis...&gt;
    &gt; * Saddam's regime indiscriminately put to death
    &gt;millions of Iraqi citizens on a daily basis, during
    &gt;the term of his brutal dictatorship, as evidenced
    &gt;by the mass graves recently uncovered in various parts
    &gt;of Iraq...&gt;
    &gt; * Terrorists recently exploded several car bombs
    &gt;in Baghdad, killing 17 innocent Iraqi children and
    &gt;several dozen innocent Iraqi citizens...
    &gt;
    &gt;The above is a clip from an email I recieved, it had a little diffrent message, and I modified it to fit the responce, but if that is not enough reson to go to battle in Iraq, then fighting Nazi Germany, and freeing the Jewish Holocost survivers , probably didn't float your boat either. This war is nessicary on many levels, the most important... to keep nuclear wepons of mass destruction out of terrorist hands, and I couldn't think of anyone better suited as chief in command than President Bush, at least he reads the Bible and Prays to God for guidence, and isn't chasing young interns around the white house trying to have oral sex. Like it or not America is the worlds largest super power (a Power granted by God)and with great power comes great responsibility. Thios war doesn't just bennifit only the rich, but every human being on the earth, that belives in freedom, and wanting to see thier children, and grandchildren grow up. [​IMG]
     
  17. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    Rooster, how dow this Iraq war profit the American people? :confused:

    The Iraqi people do not want us in their country. We are "invaders" and "occupiers" to them. They hate us.
     
  18. Rooster

    Rooster New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    0
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  19. Rooster

    Rooster New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    0
    how did fighting WWII profit the American people? By makeing the whole world a safer place to live, for everyone. If we were not ment to fight this battle then God wouldn't allow it, he would have directed Bush to do something else, but know this, circumstances are not random events, God is a soviern God, and nothing happens on this world if God doesn't allow it to.
     
  20. Rooster

    Rooster New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    0
    As a Parent of an 12 year old girl, my daughter doesn't want me to go in her room, I am an "invader" of her space, and an "occupier" but that doesn't make it wrong for me to keep her in check. America is not Iraqs parent, but we are the only thing that can protect the innocent non-terrorist citizens of Iraq, those people welcome us with open arms, the only people fighting back are terrorist, and the liberal media, who have agendas of thier own.
     
Loading...