Debating the undebatable

Well you must of thought this would be interesting or you wouldn't be here.
First I would like to say Thank you Baptist Board! I have learned so much from the Baptist Board from the time that I joined till now. (That was 2 months 18 days ago)Whew! **music4Him wipeing the sweat off the brow** LOL

One thing I learned is there are some topics that are undebatable. Or in some situations there is two sides (some times even 3 sides, i.e. top bottom and middle) to a penny. If we could have a list of the undebatable debates that would be unfruitful for topic starters for new members would that be a good thing?

I don't want to have debate of what members list as undebatable. I like healthy debates and would like veiws of diferent demominations on the taboos of the debates.(since I haven't been here that long and found out that there was more denoms that I don't know much about.) I have been to "Way of the Master" website and they don't have too much on the all the red herrings of Christian debates.

How about it? What are the red herrings.....the places where the bible is silent....the debates that end with no answers or stale-mate, or even the debates that didn't have replies in the past?

Please no name calling, lets keep it healthy and freindly. (FYI, add smilies so that others will know you are being friendly.)
If there is a denomination that you are not associated with, (but to the others belonging to that denomination).....if something that is mentioned about a denomination that is in error.......please clarify it with tact and don't get offended, but explain politely and respectable to other posters.

If this kind of topic is not permitted here on the Baptist Board please accept my apologies. But you have to admit it would be nice to have a list sometimes of whats not debatable.


In all sincerity,
Music4Him

 

Here is an example of what I am saying.
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7th day sabbath vs Sunday sabbath

Some examples, scripture, and/or references presented about the sabbath debate:

*1st example for 7th day Sabbath
Genesis 2:3 (creation) God blessed and santified the sabbath.
Exodus 20:8-11 (comandments) Remember the sabbath.
New Testament scriptures where Jesus kept the sabbath (using Jesus as our example).

*2nd example (the other side of the coin) Sunday sabbath
New Tesament scripture of the 4 Gospels where Jesus arose on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) being called the Lords day ~ergo sabbath changed to Sunday.
*Non bibical referance...to that could be Consantine(sp?) changing it to Sunday. Then agian this would also apply to the 1st example above for the seventh day sabbath that was given.

*3rd example (3rd side of the coin) keep the sabbath one day out of Seven. (pick a day any day)


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Now as you can see I didn't put all the scripture references (pro or anti 7th day sabbath) just a few. Just the ones that have mostly stuck out in a debate that I remember off the top of my head. I also didn't go into #3 because I never concidered it bibically so I didn't look for the scripture to prove or disprove this area.

Music4Him

 

Where is this undebatable?
In the OT God did instruct Israel to fight certian enemies. (Good vs Evil)
In the NT there is more mentioned about war with good and evil also.
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When you say is it allowed or permitted is this to do with the Quakers or Ana-Baptist being correct in refusing Military service?

Can you present this using this in the example post I posted on the sabbath?

Thank you for your post
Music4Him

 

Audra thanks for the heads up on the resurection thread. ~
LOL Well if thats the case then the penny has 4 sides and I'll stand corrected.

Music4Him

 

Where did you get that quote from DHK?
"A man convinced agains his will is of the same opinion still."

It might be undebatable? Concidering what the definition is for debate.

debate- to concider, to dicuss opposing reasons; argue, to argue a question (a question) formally, to concider reason for or aginst.....ect.
un- as in undebatable meaning "not debatable" lack of debate (or lack of information to debate), the oppisite of debate.

Thank you fo your input~
Music4Him

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Has there ever been a BB thread or even a disscussion in your family or with other christians, that seemed to be sound doctrine presented from all sides? Or have all ened in a heated free for all which would make it "taboo" to bring up as a topic?

 

Thanks Gina for the info. I have read the rules and agreement, but I have seen post from some talking about and with different beliefs than I have no idea what all their beliefs are about or that there was so many different denoms with differnt church rules.... (i.e. Catholic, Jehovah Witness, Full preterist, Ana-Baptist, Quakers, 7th day adventist....ect.) but I have seen where some one has posted and gotten chewed out for sharing their 2 cents and that is sad because it might be a chance to interject and share a new idea with them instead of running them off.

This is why I would like the info on the red herrings, and undebatable topics, surly there has to be a scripture that can bridge the gap? I know in one thread I can agree with a member and their doctrine then I can go to another thread and the same person can post something that don't make any since. (Sometimes this has happened on the same thread too.) Alot of debates that I had with others have also gotten ugly. I just thought this would be a easy way to "share" about debates that don't have a nutral zone, without it being debated.

See I had no idea that pants on women, make-up, length of hair have a tendency to divide churches?

Thanks,
Music4Him

 

Oh thats a easy debate Todd! And so big of you to bring that out. You know how everyone can be so "proud" of their "religious tags" that they put on themselfs?
So if everyone must know....here is why I chose the "tag" Babicostlesabbathholy.

I hold to most of the Baptist teachings because I was raised a Baptist (ergo the Bapi part of my tag)...except for thier beliefs to when the subject of the pentacost and the 9 gifts of the Spirit come in (I happen to belive in all 9 of the gifts of the Spirit and that they are for today as they was when Paul told of them) so concidering that I also belive in Pentacostal beliefs due to the power of the Holy Ghost ergo the costle part....then I have sabbathholy as to mean keep the sabbath and keep it holy. Thats all Babicostlesabbathholy is about. Now if their is any Babtist that have these same beliefs let me know.

BTW, Dan latley all I seen are people posting words or a full post in the debate fourms that seem to be ment to hurt others and seem to be unfruitful as far as debate goes. If your question/post wasn't ment to be mean in no way, shape, or form of being an attack or to be hurtful, then my apologies Sir.

But If anyone will look at any of the post in other debates and how some are being jumped on (for lack of better words) then maybe you could understand the serious part as to why I posted this topic of the debating the undebatable. For some reason I thought maybe some of the lurkers might join in the debates if people was a bit more informed and persented thier points a bit more tactful?
In short all I wanted was a way to get a healthy debate like there used to be without the insults to others beliefs. Present your point then let the other present theirs. If something seems to be in error then check your position first and reserch it, then if you are convinced your scripture holds the truth then reply with your new found information and without insults or comments meaning to degrade others. In other words take the beam out of your own eye first then debate (i.e.share your veiw). Can it be possible? Surly no one really likes the "strife" that is stirred in some of these debates that are red herrings, rabbit trailed, and unfruitful because someone will say something to offend on purpose that usually gets others off the topic? Maybe this is the wrong place to post this? The more I type the more it looks like it ought to go post this in greivances part of the BB. Where is it located?

Thank you,
Music4Him

 

Thanks Dan,
I too have a sense of humor... or atleast I would like to think I do?

I keep Friday evening to Saturday evening as my Sabbath (Texan for Sabboth) day of rest. There are no churches anywhere that I have found in my area that do all that I posted above about the Babicostlesabbathholy? Until then I usually go to a neighbors and worship when possible or at home. But,I also go to church on Wednesdays & Sundays when my husband has the day off. Depending on time and gas prices we visit a Babtist church or a Full Gospel church or a non-denoninational, where the bible is being preached.

Music4Him

What??? No grievance board????? You mean people have to accually start a thread like this to debate on how to to stand or step down or gracfully fall off soap boxes?