Question about the Mormon Jesus

Mike:

Okay, you mean like praying to SantaClaus which most christian
children are sadly encouraged to do.

When teaching our grandchildren to fold their hands and join in
thanksgiving at the table, I can't imagine that my 2 yr old grandson
is learning to pray to a fictitious Jesus .

My son in law can say "Amen" to the prayer offered in Jesus' name also

 

The Mormon god was once a man. The Mormon god had actual sex with his spiritual wife/wives and had spiritual children. Jesus was the first of these spiritual children.

The God of the Bible is the alpha and the omega. Before God there was nothing. The Jesus of the Bible with with God in the beginning. Without Jesus, nothing was made.

I think it is quite clear that the Mormon god and the God of the Bible are not the same being. If God the father is not the same, then how can Jesus be the same. We are to judge things based on what is being taught, not the name given to what is being taught.

We have been warned that angels of light will bear a false doctrine. I'm sorry to say that many have not heeded that warning.

 

(LaRae)

I never heard of kids praying to santa claus? Can you clarify this?

If your grandson is being raised as mormon then I don't see how he is
being taught to pray to the same Jesus non-Mormon's pray to.


(Singer)

Kids ask Santa claus for gifts, are told that he is watching them to see
if they're naughty or nice, write letters to santa that are published
in local papers, make google eyes at someone dressed as santa, etc.
Those are the same reactions they should have toward Jesus and
is giving them false hopes in a fictitious being.

My son in law is not a practicing Mormon (has been out for 6 yrs) when
he graduated from highschool. He retains some of the beliefs which are
not in agreement with his wife's. So imagine the scene; at the table,
heads bowed, thanks offered to "God" and dad's mind is on the Creator,
mom's mind is on the Creator and grandson is listening/learning.

That would be hard to make a distinction..... I'd say.
They are not practicing members of the Mormon Church.

 

(Mike)

So then, if you don't think that the Mormon Jesus is fictitous, are
you saying that you agree with Mormon doctrine that Jesus was
once a man who was exalted to godhood by the observance of God's
laws, which implies that He was, at one time, a sinful being?

Are you saying that you agree with LDS doctrine that His death on the
cross was not where the atonement was bought?

Are you saying that you agree with LDS doctrine that Jesus in only
one of many "savior-gods" scattered throughout the universe?

Are you saying that you agree with the LDS teaching that denies
His virgin birth?

Are you saying that you agree with LDS doctrine that Jesus and
Lucifer are brothers?

(Singer)
Not at all Mike. I don't agree with Mormonism at all in the same sense
I don't agree with Catholicism or the 2x2s or any other exclusive group.

Isn't that something..........? Our destiny lies in what we believe !!

Basically, Jesus asks us to believe :

1. On the Son .(John 3:36)
2. In Me (John 11:25)
3. That God has raised Him from the dead (Rom 10:9)
4. That Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:5)
5. He who has the Son has life (1John 5:11,12)

For myself, I can't say I was inhibited from knowing of the true God/Jesus
because of my upbringing. I think we're too hard on others. I've also
seen Catholics and Adventists accused of the same thing (having a different
Jesus). I suppose we end up with "Only God knows the heart", which
makes our conversations futile. There are obviously spirit filled members
of all faiths....that seems the best observation.

I'm bereaved that there are not more solid and obvious answers.
Thanks for yours.

Singer

 

What exactly did you believe when you put your faith in the statement that Jesus is the Son of God? What does that mean?
DHK

 

(Mike)

For one thing, merely asking for something isn't prayer.

(Singer)

But asking of Santa Claus....isn't that a little offbeat for a christian ?

 

Singer would have a problem if kids wrote letters asking "Jesus, the son of God" for Christmas presents?

 

(Mike)
But you're waffling on the question. You don't think the Mormon concept of Jesus
is wrong. Then you disagree with it. Then you refuse to come out and say that it
isn't Biblical. You seem almost afraid say that these things aren't Biblical.

(Singer)
Good grief man, don't attack me. I was hoping this wouldn't get ugly as
I can get ugly too....enough to get banned even.!!

You don't have to nail me down on these issues...I'm trying to learn what
they believe myself. Aren't I allowed to ask questions on here...?

(DHK)
What exactly did you believe when you put your faith in the statement that Jesus is the
Son of God? What does that mean?

(Singer)
To me at the time and to any English reading observer, it would be related
to the father/sonship of humans.. Would you now assert that I wasn't even saved
for 20 some odd years because I didn't have the right concept of that issue ?

(Tuor)
Singer would have a problem if kids wrote letters asking "Jesus, the son of God" for
Christmas presents?

(Singer) Tuor, did you mean "...would [YOU] have a problem"...? You had a question mark
after it. If that's what you meant, the answer is "No, I wouldn't have a problem with that".
That's proper afterall. In the same sense, Mike and DHK might have a problem with that
becaue it leaves out the concept that Jesus is God.

I believe these five (and more) truths are overlooked in favor of trying to make the gospel
harder to understand than it already is:

Basically, Jesus asks us to believe:
1. On the Son .(John 3:36)
2. In Me (John 11:25)
3. That God has raised Him from the dead (Rom 10:9)
4. That Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:5)
5. He who has the Son has life (1John 5:11,12)

Catholics do that, 2x2s do that, Adventists....I was hoping Baptists wouldn't be in
that same club....but I'm learning

 

Sorry Singer, yes I meant 'you'.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your train of thought. I think there are many who would agree with you. I think that your answer to my question should be enough to demonstrate to Mike the futility of discussing this matter with you.

 

The Son of God refers to the deity of Christ.
The Son of man refers to the humanity of Christ.
I was raised a Catholic but did not get saved until the age of 20, so the deity of Christ was never an issue with me. The Catholic Church taught it and I believed it, along with the trinity. However, when I got saved I began to read the Bible and began to think about these terms, "Son of God," and "Son of Man." It only took a matter of a few weeks or months at the most to figure out that the Son of God referred to the Deity of Christ and the "Son of Man" referred to the humanity of Christ.
My wife was raised in a Christian home and was saved at an early age. For as long as she can remember the term "Son of God" was always associated with the second person of the trinity, the triune Godhead, and therefore is a term that means God. Christ is God. The Son of God means that He is God. It was an offensive term to the Jews for that reason. See John 10:30-36.

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

How can you believe that this term relates to the "father/sonship of humans" if you have been saved and reading your Bible for the last 20 years?
DHK

 

Singer,

Here are a couple of scriptures that I'd like for you to take into consideration with your other list:

Matthew 15:8

" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

 

(Singer)

Yes Tuor, it's probably futile to carry this on. It's sad.

As for Matt 7:21, I've never been able to determine just who that might be.
And yet..........the kingdom of heaven is within us so it may not actually
be talking about eternal life/salvation.

Then the meaning could be that the Holy Spirit will not enter just anyone
in the spiritual rebirth (when accepting Christ).

 

(Originally posted by Singer)

But asking of Santa Claus....isn't that a little offbeat for a christian ?

(Mike)

No.

(Singer)

Oh I really DO want to talk about Santaclaus, Mike, because I'd like to hear
about the faith you have in Santa, considering you don't think it's offkey
to make requests from an imaginary being !