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And many Muslims are outraged at the Saud family, and our ties to them; rich or not, they are still our installed (yes, the West put them in power like we did the Shah of Iran and Saddam) partners in our exploitation of the Middle East, maintained dictators which many wish to tear down... like Osama Bin Ladden and other Islamicists.

Not enough in the right areas... most of the rebuilding is going towards the pipline.

An absurdly small amount compared to our GNP... the smallest in the world!

 

Perhaps for a while... but when the exploitation and culturcide stops, why would they want to continue?

Yes, and it does not say we should exploit others. I would suggest not using the Word to justify your lack of compassion. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Because they hate each other?

Jews hate Muslims.
Muslims hate Jews.

We are not exploiting the Iraqis. We Freed Them. Where were you?

 

From Peter Singer's book, The President of Good and Evil: On the Ethics of George W. Bush. We give the smallest share of our GNP than every developed nation, and many developing ones. Even in absolute terms we fall well behind.

 

This is not universal, and where hate exists, one finds the roots to be buried deep inside British and American foreign policy manipulations throughout the 20th century. Beforehand, there was little animosity.

We secured and are rebuilding their oil industry for our sole benefit, we have destroyed most of their cultural and political institutions, and we have killed over 100,000 of them thus far.

Where were you?

 

This is not universal, and where hate exists, one finds the roots to be buried deep inside British and American foreign policy manipulations throughout the 20th century. Beforehand, there was little animosity.

We secured and are rebuilding their oil industry for our sole benefit, we have destroyed most of their cultural and political institutions, and we have killed over 100,000 of them thus far.

Where were you? </font>[/QUOTE]You need to study your Old Testament.

(Gen 25:16 NIV) These were the sons of Ishmael, and these are the names of the twelve tribal rulers according to their settlements and camps.

(Gen 25:17 NIV) Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people.

(Gen 25:18 NIV) His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers.

He fulfilled the Prophecy of Genesis 16:12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers" (Gen. 16:12).

I ask you - Who are the Spiritual descendants of Ishmael in the Middle East today?

I don't think it's the Jews!

 

You are streaching this interpretation past the breaking point; corralation is not causation... an apparent parallel does not mean that's the correct viewpoint of scripture that describes historical peoples.

 

You are streaching this interpretation past the breaking point; corralation is not causation... an apparent parallel does not mean that's the correct viewpoint of scripture that describes historical peoples. </font>[/QUOTE]So you would say that the Jews have no claim on any lands in the middle east?

 

Yes, I too would like some clarification on this.

[BTW, I like your website, Pastor.]

 

I would say that the issue raised in the bible is a spiritual matter, and not a temporal one; claims to the Holy Land in the Bible concerning ancient possession and contexts cannot be used to make territorial claims on the diplomatic front in regards to today's problems.

 

That's what you say about all issues when we point out Biblical References!

Homosexuality in the Bible = Doesn't Relate to Today's Society.

Unrest in the Middle East in Ancient Times = Doesn't relate to modern times.

Jewish Claims on Holy Land = doesn't relate to today's situation.

God to you must be a senile old man who lost it even before He inspired the Old Testament and now needs young, brilliant minds such as yours to set things straight!

I think you have departed from historical Baptist Beliefs if you ever were a Baptist and from Orthodox Christianity as well.

 

Funny, that's what I feel about conservatives!

Good thing God moves me to have compassion for all.

 

My position is that it didn't relate to that society in the way you use it for this one.

Unless you talk about overall themes concerning hatred that everyone feels in their hearts due to sin... no.

Why should international agreements be based on religious texts? Those are of a spiritual, not worldly manner.

No, I've simply grown in my relationship with God to a point in which He is bigger than ever before, encompassing all that is Good, rather than wallowing in the limited confines of literalist, legalist definitions.

Well, I said I was a Northern Baptist... you know, the guys that didn't split off because they liked slavery?

 

My position is that it didn't relate to that society in the way you use it for this one.

Unless you talk about overall themes concerning hatred that everyone feels in their hearts due to sin... no.

Why should international agreements be based on religious texts? Those are of a spiritual, not worldly manner.

No, I've simply grown in my relationship with God to a point in which He is bigger than ever before, encompassing all that is Good, rather than wallowing in the limited confines of literalist, legalist definitions.

Well, I said I was a Northern Baptist... you know, the guys that didn't split off because they liked slavery? </font>[/QUOTE]So you are an American Baptist?

 

His profile says he is "unchurched currently."

They do have good Baptist churches in South Carolina, though.

We need to steer you in the right direction, JaG. </font>[/QUOTE]Please don't wish that on some poor Baptist pastor in South Carolina!

 

Unfortunately, the Southern Baptist Churches (as well as nondenominational ones) down here are wallowing in the right wing; NONE of them I have been to thus far speak of ending war and poverty. The Episcopal Church here focuses on these issues however, and I am friends with some of them; the Evangelical Lutherans are more my speed too.

My church in Rochester is loosely affiliated with the ABC/USA, but there has been some rifts with our convention. Many of us are Progressive Christians, and simply cannot swallow some of the exclusivist stuff that has come from them lately.

Ever hear of these guys?

http://www.religioustolerance.org

 

Well, if he follows Christ's Word and not the Republican National Commitee, we'll get along just fine!