Jews fleeing France

No problem, Joseph, here it is:

http://209.58.241.91/news/infocus/?disp_feature=X9zGeh.var

This is from Virtual Jerusalem, so I cannot be accused of getting quotes from pro-arab sources.

Corinne

 

Corinne,

Thank you for the source. I dislike Chirac a little less now. It is interesting though that the reporter introduces this quote with what could only be described as surprise:

But still, I guess I have to credit him with being right at least twice a day, sort of like a clock with a dead battery.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I suspect Joseph that that reporter shares your disdain for Chirac and was as surprised as you was.

 

Or perhaps, he is pointing out the obvious irregularity of Chirac saying anything about the Godfather of Terror.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I've always found them to be a corporate tabloid which acts in respect of profit above all else.

 

Arafat was the sort of guy who never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. There were more than a handfull moments in his career when he could have become the hero of the international community and founder father of a new nation. He screwed it up so often that by the end everybody not a Palestinian had given up on him.

 

The only problem I have with that theory is that I think you give him too much benefit of the doubt. He was the godfather of terror and knew exactly what he was doing when he rejected all attempts at peace and began the current intifada.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Your White House recognized Arafat as a foreign leader, not as a terrorist. Chirac did the same. Chirac is not at the beck and call of the Israelis like Bush is, and indeed, it shows.

Corinne

 

That is why Chirac said he was responsible for all the failures to make peace.

Corinne

 

Put Sharon in Arafat's place and he would not have made peace either. These two men could never have made peace together. One of them is gone, the other one has to go too. Even Bush agrees that a Palestinian State is overdue.

Corinne

 

CMG,

I am sorry. But, this simply isn't true. I, for one, would like to see it once the terror is stopped and they put in a more moderate government who can live side by side with the Jews. There are also many Israelis who would like to see this as well. The Israeli apologist who wrote an entire book defending the actions of Israel and attacking the unfair accussations against Israel as anti-semitic, Alan Dershowitz, has also been an advocate for a Palestinian State. Many of the Palestinian people have been oppressed by extremists terror groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and even by the PLO who horded the money to themselves while their own people lived in squaller. Please do not equate the longing for a Palestinian State to anti-semitism.

Joseph Botwinick

 

First, where do you think the jews presently populating Israel come from, for the major part? Most come from Europe, many came to Israel after the holocaust. It is an insult to say that Europeans are anti-semitic, it is absolutely not true.

About the Christian Resistance, it fights religious and political extremism, and also stipulates that we believe the role of women in religion should be reinforced, so yes I believe women should be priests. If I was in America I would vote democrat and not conservative, not because I condone abortion (I am actually prolife and have even written a draft bill to protect the unborn in a political simulation) or homosexuality, but because I believe the democrats are closer to social issues that need to be solved, and I do not like to see how the Religious Right (together with the NRA) governs the government.

To paraphrase Bush, all those who believe in Jesus Christ are with me, and all those who do not, are not, so no, I am not against those evangelicals on this board who are true believers. I am always open to discussions, even with those who disagree with my views, which are, I grant you, more liberal than conservative.

To enlighten you further, I am more of an arminian than a calvinist, as you might have guessed from the website.

The aim of the website, by the way, is not only to fight extremism (and therefore intolerance), to gather together true believers in Christ who wish to make their resources available to other believers, in the event of future persecutions of christians. A kind of parallel trading space for the future. You can ask me questions about this by emailing me in private at corinnesinclair@yahoo.com

Corinne
http://www.christianresistance.com

 

"A Palestinian state is not viable."
"
Andorra, Monaco, Liechtenstein, San marino and Iceland also aren't supposed to be viable, hasn't stopped them.

"Only the Europeans want it because they are majority anti-Semetic since the 1930s."
"
The level of Anti-Semitism in Europe is considerably lower now than it was in the 30's when the most popular Anti-Semitic magazine ever was published in the USA by Henry Ford.

 

Let's not forget also that many people thought Reagan was nuts for thinking that democracy could take root and conquer Communism in the Soviet Union. When was the last time we worried about the nuclear threat of the USSR? How about Germany and Japan? Then there was the mountain of skepticism about Afganistan and still is for Iraq. I am more optimistic about the power of freedom to overcome tyranny and terror in the world.

Joseph Botwinick