divorce and pastorship

First, I do not believe a divorced man is qualified to serve in the role of elder or deacon. He can preach and teach though.

Second, as to the above quote, I totally disagree. The greek literally is rendered, one-woman kind of man. It does not speak to the order of marriage. It speaks to the fact that the elder must be a person who is committed to God's standard in relationships. </font>[/QUOTE]So how is it the Greeks get to take something out of the context it was written in and make it mean something different?

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

 

Well, what about Adam and Eve then? Did they get saved before they got married or after? Hmmm? Who was it that married them ? Hmmm? Reckon God had anything to do with it?

Also, you make references to sins, is marriage then a sin too? or are you just saying divorce is a sin? Was his former wife an addiction? Were their marriage vows a form of drug abuse or alcoholism?

Wonder what Romans 7 has to say about marriage and divorce? Death of the spouse is the only thing that releases one from the marriage covenant according to my Bible. Hmmm?

 

Ribbit! (a-men! in frog language!)

 

Well, Wizo, what about the sin that caused the drug addict to contract aids, or the drunkard to have scirosis of the liver, salvation doesn't change the consequences is what Frogman is trying to tell you. Salvation changes the direction of the man, the man of sin isn't eradicated, just being regenerated. A man is a new creature in Christ, but he must "reckon" the old man dead. That doesn't mean the "old man" is dead and buried, but it does mean we have to tote the old nature around with us until we pass from this life to life with Christ in eternal glory.

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

David suffered the consequences of his sin his entire life. He did, however, remain the sweetheart of the Lord.

On the marriage ceremony, we really don't know when it was instituted or what form it took. We know there was a marriage feast early in the gospels, but we don't know anything about that marriage. We know that there was a process of betrothal at the time of Joseph and Mary, but we are devoid of details.

So, how much validity does our modern marriage ceremonies have? We only know that we are asking people to take a solemn vow before God that they will love, honour and live with our partners the rest of our lives.

I think sometimes we tend to be too hard on those who try marriage and somewhere along the way things don't work out. We pontificate about how things ought to be, but it wasn't so with David, and it wasn't so with Solomon. Both continued to serve the Lord to their dying days. Solomon even with his 600 wives and 800 concubines.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Is this a serious question? I cannot tell. You apparently do not know about the issues surrounding this passage, specifically, the husband of one wife qualification.

You felt the liberty to make that mean "first and only". I don't remember reading "first" in there. Obviously it is his wife only. Who else would she be?

If you want to develop your theology on english and not consider what the underlying texts say, that is your prerogative. You will have an incomplete and probably skewed theology though.

 

So, let me get this straight.
When a man is saved, his sins are forgiven and forgotten (according to God's Word, which, it has been pointed out SEVERAL times, does not contradict itself), except for certain sins which are not forgotten (which DOES contradict God's Word).
When you are saved, you are a new creature, except for some things you did before you were saved, which shall be held over your head for the rest of your life, and will keep you from doing what God has called you to do.

Doctrines of men.

Everyone who denies someone the chance to serve God in the way He calls that person will answer for it.

 

Not "except for certain sins which are not forgotten."

The consequences of those sins.

If a woman has an abortion, and then gets saved, is that abortion completely done and over with? It is forgiven, it is forgotten; but the consequences of that sinful act are with that woman for life. Period.

How often have we found a teaching in the scriptures and realized we were guilty, and thought to ourselves, if only I had known back then? I take comfort in the thought that I am forgiven, but I still must live with the consequences of the decisions and choices I made before I was saved.

Forgiven and forgotten, yes. But that doesn't mean "no longer responsible." If anything, it means I'm that much more responsible.

 

A Pastor should have only one wife, Correct.

Yet Consider this.

Polygamy was rife in the Old Testament. Paul says let each of you have his own wife. Most Christians understand that Polygamy is not o.k in the church today.

So a Pastor should have one wife, not be in a Polygamus Relationship.

 

One Woman Man: the man has only one living wife.

Definition of one living wife: unless the man's divorce was over HER adultery, (and that is stated in the divorce decree), it is certainly not a legal divorce (Mat 19). Now, I know that there are various interpretations of the Mat 19 passage, but the least restrictive one is still that divorce is not legal in God's eyes unless it is over adultery.

If the divorce is not legal and the man remarries, the man has two living wives in the eyes of the Bible.

 

I still have not found "one living wife" in the Bible. Please point it out to me.
Paul wrote "Husband of one wife". Legally, if you're married, you only have one wife. If you had more, you would be in trouble.

When you cite Matthew 19, aren't you referring to Christians who divorce?

 

The husband of one wife is the husband of "one living wife", if she were dead he would be her widower, thus able Biblically to remarry. But if he divorced her before she died then his remarriage would be adultry.

The passage in I Timothy 3 IS where you find the "one living wife", if she were dead she wouldn't be the wife anymore. "For in heaven, (or hell), they neither marry or are given in marriage."

 

In 1 Timothy 3 I see "husband of one wife".
In those days people still practiced polygamy. A man could not effectively take care of the church and support and take care of multiple wives. That was why it was stipulated to only have one wife.
Nowhere do I see the word "living" there.
You can twist it however you want to, but it's not in there.

 

Is this a serious question? I cannot tell. You apparently do not know about the issues surrounding this passage, specifically, the husband of one wife qualification.

You felt the liberty to make that mean "first and only". I don't remember reading "first" in there. Obviously it is his wife only. Who else would she be?

If you want to develop your theology on english and not consider what the underlying texts say, that is your prerogative. You will have an incomplete and probably skewed theology though. </font>[/QUOTE]As usual you make the attempt to ridicule Biblical Truth. The first mention principle of Genesis regarding the marriage of Adam and Eve is fully expoundable and indicative of the " the first one and only wife".

If a man is to leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and they are no longer twain and are become one flesh, then if he marries another they are no longer one flesh but have become three in one and out of balance by their being two of the feminine gender . Else you justify the hardness of man's heart and permit divorce which God has forbid.

Did Adam preach? Why he most certainly did! Else how did Abel know to make acceptable sacrifice to the LORD? Cain was in rebellion to truth, so please don't go in the way of Cain!

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

With all due respect, Sir, you don't have much experience in the order of the Aaronic preisthood or the order of Melchisedec. A deliberate study of the life of the high priest shoulde be entailed, Study the lives of the O.T. prophets regarding marriage. How many wives did the prophets have? Look into where they messed up and where they remained stedfast in doctrine. Are we not the preists over our families as the husband/the head of the "wife"? (not wives!)

Don't try to claim the "preisthood of the believer" here to interpet something in direct conflict with Biblical truth. That's rebellion, not liberty!

So explain how it is that a man can marry two living women and have only one living wife?

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

I don't see where David or Solomon ever were prophets or priests. No one has said that any man married, divorced or not can't serve the Lord.

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

Because if he had more than one wife, he would be a bigamist or a polygamist.

There is a divorce between those two marriages. Last I heard, a divorce meant the dissolution of a marriage. Thus, a person is only married to one person at a time.

I see no conflict here.

 

Because if he had more than one wife, he would be a bigamist or a polygamist.

There is a divorce between those two marriages. Last I heard, a divorce meant the dissolution of a marriage. Thus, a person is only married to one person at a time.

I see no conflict here. </font>[/QUOTE]Again another symptom of the demoralization of society appears when a man regards the institutions of men for spiritual guidance over the dictates of the Spirit through the Word of God.

Talking about sad!

The Lord doesn't see it the way you do, consult Romans 7, Paul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit does a more than adequate job of explaining the marriage covenant and it's release from the covenant.


Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

I think I asked this question a while back:

Are you talking about Christians who divorce?