Is George W. Bush a true believer?

I believe that was more to help quell the political and social unrest (the alleged paying homage to Allah) than to actually pay homage to Allah. So, why would you blatantly accuse him of doing so? With all of the Muslims this country has, would it benefit the American people for him to help stir the anger already directed at us from the outside and stir it inside also? Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning his saying God speaks through the Koran also. I don't believe he believes it. I just question YOUR motivation for trying to get us to believe he believes it.

AJL

 

i think he is a great man and he very well might be saved. i think that just like many people in churches today they do not know what they believe, and never draw the line. that what i think our president is doing too.

 

Only God knows for sure.

 

if bush has trusted in Christ plus nothing and minus nothing then he is saved. i dont like how bush has compromised Christianity, bush needs prayer. now if you would of asked about clinton that would be an easier answer

 

A new tell-all book, titled: The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush, by a Canadian writer, a Jew, and former speech writer, David Frum. It hit the bookstores yesterday.

It is interesting what David Frum has to say.....he constantly refers to Bush's actions in the White House and around the oval office....where attendance at the daily Bible study, if not cumpulsory, not quite uncompulsary.......and,......get back on track through prayers.........a fervent faith in God.....This is quite a testimony from the pen of a Jew.......Knowing David Frum, we would not throw in flowers without believing them.

When it comes to the other things, he is President of the USA and not the president of the National Christian Alliance or whatever organization. I will give him that and I am not a Bush fan personally.

Cheers,

Jim

A foreigner on two counts

 

While not wild about the way our government cowtows to the Muslims, I greatly respect GWB as do most of the regulars at my church. He would be EXTREMELY welcome in my IFB very conservative church.

 

This is kind of a tough question. On the one hand, GW has done things I don't think I would do.

On the other hand, he has given testimony to having a personal faith in Christ in front of millions of people when it could have easily lost him his political career and did cause him to endure the scoffing of his detractors on the left. He has professed Christ before men on a greater magnitude than any of us.

The answer is ...I don't know. What I do know is that he is attempting some things that are very important to me, not the least of which is changing the direction of the courts.

 

Then again, maybe its smart for Bush to divide the 100-250 million extremists minded muslims from the 1.2+ billion total if we are going to fight with them.

 

Is there biblical precedent for paying homage to false gods in order to obtain political or military power?

If we support this tactic of Bush, do we have to tell the Sunday School kids that we're "just funnin" when we talk about how God honored and protected Daniel? Can't take that stuff too seriously, I guess, although it does make good stories for the kids.

 

We are not to decide whether or not someone is a christian just becasue we don't like them or what they do. And anyone should be welcome to go into a church. If they aren't saved maybe thats where they need to be, where they can hear Jesus preached.

 

Kate, I don't think anyone saying he is unChristian because they didn't like him or like what he does. I think they were basing it on whether what he does is right or wrong.

BTW...please help me out with the name change...I recognize the "Horse Cave KY" (where the heck is that, sounds like a nice place) but don't remember the name that goes with it.

Thanks.

...PA Jim

[ January 10, 2003, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: Pennsylvania Jim ]

 

From William J. Murray, who attended Memorial Service for 09/11 at the National Cathedral:

http://www.rfcnet.org/wjmreport/october2001.htm

 

She eagle if the event you just mentioned is the same one where Billy Graham was keynote then I have a comment, if not disreguard what I am about to say.

I too was saddened by the appearance of some from other religions and I wondered why they were allowed to be there. I also saw their speech and prayers lacking so when Billy Graham had a chance to speak I was eagerly watching to see if he would bow to the god of political correctness. I don't have a copy of his words (if anyone does please post it) but I was inspired by them, in my view the tone was set by Billy and I gave the President the credit for allowing others who also are americans to speak but in the end the true God was placed on center stage by the words of Rev Graham. Am I giving him too much credit? maybe so but as a Christian and as an American I remember feeling a sense of hope that I had not felt in a couple of days. These are just my thoughts. Murph

 

Here, Murph, I looked it up just for you & clipped what I thought was a good part:

[clip]
Here in this majestic National Cathedral we see all around us symbols of the Cross. For the Christian, I'm speaking for the Christian now, the Cross tells us that God understands our sin and our suffering, for He took upon Himself in the person of Jesus Christ our sins and our suffering. And from the Cross, God declares, "I love you. I know the heartaches and the sorrows and the pains that you feel. But I love you."

The story does not end with the Cross, for Easter points us beyond the tragedy of the Cross to the empty tomb. It tells us that there is hope for eternal life, for Christ has conquered evil and death, and hell. Yes, there is hope.

I've become an old man now and I've preached all over the world and the older I get the more I cling to that hope that I started with many years ago and proclaimed it in many languages to many parts of the world. [clip]

http://www.sonserver.com/billy-graham.htm

That being said, now I am thinking of all the Kings of Israel who angered God by building groves, worshipping idols, chasing after strange gods. Failing to take a stand for the One True God.

And I am remembering these verses that Jesus Himself spoke:

Matt.7
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



I disagree with many of you on this thread.
We are to be fruit inspectors. Only God knows the President's heart & whether or not he is a true believer, born again. But we DO have a right, even a responsibility, to judge a political leader's actions, especially when he has verbally attacked & distanced himself from Christian Evangelicals and cowtowed to Islam.

Furthermore, I believe that if President Bush sells out Jerusalem & gives it to the Palestinians in this "peace plan" it will be his undoing, even our national undoing.

I found this letter on the web:

The rest of this letter is at:

http://www.israelmybeloved.com/history_prophecy/letters_to_leaders/dear_president%20_bush.htm

Well, it is now a year later after this letter was written. What do we see, a ticker tape parade? No. Have we captured bin Laden? No. Is our economy turning downward? Yes. Are we now shipping thousands of our young men & women out to engage in a war with yet another country? Yes. Are the North Koreans & Chinese in cahoots in nuclear exchanges and is Korea making threats of WW3? Yes. Are our border still wide open with terrorists streaming into our mainland? Yes. Is Islam now being taught in some of our public schools & universities? Yes. Are Imams preaching from our Evangelical pulpits? Yes.

I can only wonder what shape things would be in if our President had stood firm as a Christian and not turned to entertaining dinners, having Muslims bow & pray to Allah in the White House, had not embraced documented Islamic fundamentalists as "friends" in his zeal to be politically correct at any price, and had not made a big promise of forming a Palestinian state while homicide bombers continue to blow up Israelis in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

On September 10, 2001, I was 100% pro-GW Bush just like some of you are on here. And after the caller on C-Span alerted viewers that the imam who gave the prayer in the National Cathedral was a known terrorist, (I saw the video tape of the rally later), I excused it, saying, well, perhaps the President was ill advised. Then a few more things happened and I started doing research on the web.

Where is the courage of Daniel before Nebuchadnezzer, I ask?

I now get off of my stump at last.

 

Hi Everybody,

Google search will take you to the source every time!!

http://www.phbaptist.org/bush.html

God Bless and Enjoy!

Alliswell

 

Alliswell, a hypothetical question:

If I were to post similar words from Bill Clinton, what would be your response?

 

Original Post by Kal EL
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What do you think?

Would he be welcome as a member in your church?

He gives a testimony of salvation. He also pays homage to Allah.

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I love ya preach, but I think you stepped in an ant hill here.

Welcome in church... probably not, I don't think he'd be willing to get rebaptized!

I wasn't aware of his actions, personally I'd always given him the benefit of the doubt.

God help us if he's not the real thing!

Out like those Taliban troops who forgot their camouflage!!

 

Well, in my opinion one thing is certain. George W Bush's "spiritual father", "Reverend" Billy G, is an ecumenical apostate.

As for Mr. Bush's testimony it would have been rejected by most American Regular Baptist churches in the 1700's, and they would not have baptized him nor received him as a church member.

Harald

 

George W Bush's "spiritual father", "Reverend" Billy G, is an ecumenical apostate.

That's strictly your opinion, which you;re entitled to. One that many on this board disagree with.

As for Mr. Bush's testimony it would have been rejected by most American Regular Baptist churches in the 1700's, and they would not have baptized him nor received him as a church member.

Who cares? He didn't profess to be a Baptist. He professed to give his heart to Christ, and he did this publicly.

 

Today, I am eating my words about President Bush. Not all of them. Some of them.

Just wanted to go on the record with that.

He claims to be a true believer. Only God knows his heart. But he exhibits kindness to the oppressed, sick, unfortunate, and the unborn both here and abroad. His new Africa plan to help AIDs victims. Feeding & clothing the oppressed refugees of Afghanistan who were starving to death. His stand on human cloning and partial-birth abortion. Qualities I don't recall seeing much of in the former administration.

And a lesser man would have cracked under the tensions of a world powder keg since 09/11. It is prayers of people and probably his faith that are holding him up. And I'm thankful President Bush was in the Oval Office when the terrorists attacked us on 09/11 and not the un-President.

President Bush has restored dignity and honor to the White House. The only "scandalous" thing the world can say about him is that he goes to bed early. With his wife.

He has grown into world leadership with a keen sense of direction and stability. No longer does he look like a "deer caught in headlights" as some of the more unkind pundits put it back before he took office. He has a direct course & knows what must be done.

This is quite different from the Un-President who only cared about himself, what he could gain, and letting the good times roll while in the peoples' house. Quite a stark contrast.

I'm glad we have a grown up administration heading this nation during these trying times of terrorist threat. And not the scandalous bunch of goofballs who used to occupy that address. I may not agree with everything that is done & I may be suspicious about some things, but I am behind my President & military forces 100%.

And for whatever is wrong with this country (and there is plenty wrong), it is STILL the best nation on the face of the earth.

God Bless America.