Age of Accountability--Biblical or Mythical??

Think as you wish. I do not deny the deity of Jesus. However, to accept the reality of the totally human and totally God concept that Christians profess, one must not deny any part of either.

You must have missed the Revelation 5 references in which Jesus as the Lamb of God is called worthy. I suppose that you ignored the because they don't fit your theology. However they are worthy of review.

 

I will say this one last time before I am done with you. IF you want to make such outlandish claims, back it up with scripture. Don't just spill your pseudo-theology here with out scripture.

Even so, since you disagree with me, what do you make of this verse? James 1:13 (ESV)
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

Blessings,

Archangel

 

I will say this one last time before I am done with you. IF you want to make such outlandish claims, back it up with scripture. Don't just spill your pseudo-theology here with out scripture.

Even so, since you disagree with me, what do you make of this verse? James 1:13 (ESV)
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

Blessings,

Archangel </font>[/QUOTE]You don't read and understand the scriptures I do post so quit asking!

 

I have not once said the cause of Christ's "sinless nature" is in his humanity.

You have quite simply misread what I said based on your own bias. The evidence of that is in this sentence you wrote, "To put it into philosophical terms, He was not created, therefore, he could not sin." I tell you that, if he was not of "created" lineage, then he was not fully human! His flesh ONLY was human, and he, who is spirit, the true essence of Christ, was Divine. That is so unlike 100% human, or fully human.

This is the belief that I hold of man. MAN IS SPIRIT! I HAVE HELD THIS BELIEF FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, and in 40 years, I have seen nothing that is persuasive enough to cause me to rethink it. The difference between Jesus and all other men is that HIS spirit alone is derived from both human, and eternal spirit, half God the Father, half human. ALL 'OTHERS' OF MAN receive their spirit, human spirit (life), from both of their parents, Jesus spirit was merely half human, if that much. If Jesus had not been conceived by Divine Spirit, then His spirit would have been "fully human" spirit too! And with fully human spirit he would most definitely have had a sin nature but he did not have a sin nature. He was tempted in all things common to man, but DID NOT SIN, BY HIS CHOICE! He is half human, and could easily have made the choice to sin. It is not because he could not sin, but because HE DID NOT SIN! His spirit was not receptive to sin like the fully human spirit is receptive to sin! Everything else was in place for him to have succumbed to temptation resulting in sin. IF He had sinned, He would not have been the WORTHY Lamb of God (Revelation 5), but because He faced temptation and DID NOT SIN, He was deemed WORTHY! SINLESSNESS is the Standard by which WORTHINESS is measured.

Because both ADAM and EVE ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, both of their spirits were tainted by 'that knowledge', ALL of their progeny henceforth are likewise tainted hereditarily. Jesus is the exception, because the spirit of only one of his parents was so tainted. The spirit of the other 'parent' of Jesus was pure and holy. The virgin Mary I believe, had not sinned, she was pure and guiltless, therefore she had not activated the sin nature within her. Thus her spirit was clean and that is why God made her. God had to have a vessel through which His Son could be born, so He groomed Mary for the task, keeping her from sinning, which would thereby defile herself as to make her unworthy of being the mother of Jesus. NO, I do not believe that Mary remained sinless and therefore occupies a position of authority in Heaven! I believe she was fully human, sinless before the birth of Jesus, having sinned only after the birth of Jesus. I know, the Catholic Mary-olotrists are going to jump all over that, but so be it!

You said, "Plainly, he incarnated in the flesh from the seed of David but the blood he offered on the mercy seat was eternal. Otherwise, that blood would have been tainted." Jesus' body, thus his blood, was not eternal else he would have violated the plan that "it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgment". Yes, His blood was innocent of sin, but it was not intended to be eternal as it is part of the flesh which must die.

I trust this clears up any misgivings you may have regarding my beliefs of the essence of Jesus the Son of God. ALL of the mechanics were in place for Jesus the individual to have sinned, BUT HE CHOSE TO NOT SIN, just as we all must do, to become "righteous" after our new birth! We are commanded in scripture to be "holy", we are commanded to be righteous, we are commanded to choose to not sin. Yes, we are redeemed through our faith, but our actions prove our faith! Therefore, if we choose to continue in sin, to keep on sinning, we place our redemption in danger of being nullified, and we can lose our salvation on the basis of our choices. Not because of sin, for which the penalty has already been paid, but because of what sin does to our faith. We sin a little sin and 'get away with it', then we sin again, then again, then again. This process erodes our faith, putting blemishes in "our white robes". When the bridegroom comes to get us, we will not be ready and waiting, we will be left out because our apparel is filthy rags.

I trust that enough of the scriptural imagery brings to mind the scriptures from whence the imagery comes.

 

Yelsew,

Every human being born of Adam was born with a cursed spirit. we are all descendants of Adam.

we receive a cursed spirit at birth. we all have a propensity to sin. because we are cut off from our God by a curse that HE has placed on us..we sin spiritually by thinking we can be independent of God. we worship self.

As Jesus mother, mary was. she was born with a cursed spirit. she had the same cursed spirit while she birthed Jesus.

Difference was that Jesus Received his spirit from his Father. Not from Mary.

We have a cursed Spirit from birth, Yelsew.

Our spirit resides in spiritual death.

We are there awaiting judgement when God comes looking for Us.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


We're Judged Yelsew. The Judgement for all cursed spirits is the same. The spirit must be destroyed. Yet as for those today whom God calls. he is basically telling these unfortunate people.

Time for your judgement to begin

Strange thing though. It is Jesus that becomes our substitute in our place in Judgement.

But unfortunately our old spirit is still useless to God. It is unholy and must be destroyed.

our old spirit Has to be replaced

But It is replaced with the spirit of Jesus, The free Gift to Us from God.

Today, If you identify yourself as a christian. the "resurrected spirit of Christ" is now within you and it is your mindset that must now begin to accept these foundational truths.

Me2

 

Me2, you said,

Are you implying then that "cursed spirit is passed only through the male of the species?

Did Mary's spirit come from her Father? Mother? or Both?

Are you saying that human spirit comes only from the father, and not also from the mother?

Did I get it only from my father? or did my mother contribute some of it?

Does this mean that a man can do something that a woman cannot do? Take heed ladies, never have intercourse with a man, he passes on sin! So, stop seducing them.

Context is a wonderful thing, why don't you use it!

Context Me2, CONTEXT. It is appointed once for the flesh to die, then comes the judgement of the spirit! If the spirit has Faith in God, especially in the Name of Jesus, that spirit NEVER FACES JUDGEMENT (John 3:18). IF the spirit has no faith, that spirit IS JUDGED BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY CONDEMNED BY...You guessed it, NO FAITH!

A BOLD FACED LIE, Jesus was not judged for our sins, HE PAID THE PENALTY THAT OUR SINS BRING TO US! THEREFORE WE ARE NOT SO PENALIZED, BECAUSE THE PENALTY HAS BEEN PAID! For your edification, JESUS has already been judged WORTHY (Rev 5), the only man who ever lived to receive that judgment!

ONLY IF IT LACK FAITH IN JESUS!

PURELY UNSCRIPTURAL HOGWASH!

MORE PURELY UNSCRIPTURAL HOGWASH!

JESUS declared that the human spirit is the life of the flesh! If that spirit dies, the flesh dies! PURE AND SIMPLE TRUTH! MAN IS SPIRIT! MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD WHO IS SPIRIT! MAN SINNED, SEPARATING HIMSELF FROM THE HOLINESS THAT IS GOD. JESUS SAID, "I COME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST" IT IS US, OUR SPIRIT THAT HAS BEEN LOST FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD! JESUS CAME TO REDEEM OUR SPIRIT, NOT TO REPLACE IT!

I CALL MYSELF CHRISTIAN BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, THE CHRIST! HAS MY SPIRIT BEEN REPLACED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST? NO MY SPIRIT IS FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. BIG DIFFERENCE! THE SAME SPIRIT WHICH HAS POWERED MY FLESH SINCE CONCEPTION IN THE WOMB, JUST A DIFFERENT FILLING! A DIFFERENT PERSUASION, A REDEEMED, ONCE LOST SPIRIT THAT HAS BEEN FOUND, WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, JUSTIFIED BY AN ACT OF JESUS, SANCTIFIED BY MY FAITH IN JESUS. I AM THE SPOILS OF THE SPIRITUAL WARFARE, AND JESUS HAS WON ME OVER! HE OUT-PERSUADED EVIL, I NOW BELIEVE IN HIM THEREFORE I BELONG TO HIM!

I AM HIS, BUT, I AM NOT HIM!

IF HE REPLACED MY SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT THAT RESIDES IN MY FLESH GIVING IT LIFE, WITH HIS SPIRIT I BECOME HIM, FOR THE LIFE OF THE FLESH IS THE SPIRIT. I HAVE NOT BECOME HIM, BUT I AM BECOMING MORE LIKE HIM. MY SPIRIT IS BELIEVING MORE AND MORE ABOUT HIM AND OF HIM, AND IS THEREFORE BECOMING MORE LIKE HIM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

TEST THAT AGAINST PAUL'S WRITINGS, OR ANY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I AM CONVINCED IT WILL STAND UP TO ANY SCRUTINY YOU CAN PUT IT TO.

 

Today, If you identify yourself as a christian. the "resurrected spirit of Christ" is now within you and it is your mindset that must now begin to accept these foundational truths.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

That’s The flesh of the believer Yelsew……

Col 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is “Christ in you””, the hope of glory:

That’s seems to still be a mystery to you, Yelsew.. if you don’t understand the doctrine of Christ..which is the “resurrected spirit of Christ in You” .

then its still a mystery..a secret that no one else knows but whom God has spoken to about it…
Maybe He hasn’t spoken to you about this mystery? Or proven this doctrine via some revelation?

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam ate..He died spiritually the same day.
Yet he didnt physically die for 900+ years later...

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Adam ate..He became unholy before God. He sinned and caused death to overshadow his entire existence. But does this condition of spiritual death cut us off from God. We may not be capable of entering into his holy presence. Yet he still physically provides for us. We are placed in a state of spiritual enmity against God. We are in a state of condemnation awaiting judgement for our transgressions against God.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.


Adam was not made in the image of God. Adam was a living Soul in a Physical Body.
The transfigured Christ is the intended Image That Man will become. Adam was a prototype.

Jesus Christ after being Resurrected and returning to Earth from the Dead is the Intended Image of Man.

Me2

 

Under the Jewish Law this is considered the ultimate sinful act at which time the human spirit came near to death. And this even within the marriage institution.

What part of the diety of Christ do you not understand?

Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks, but that doesn't answer the questions that I asked prior to my tongue in cheek comment.

 

I will say this one last time before I am done with you. IF you want to make such outlandish claims, back it up with scripture. Don't just spill your pseudo-theology here with out scripture.

Even so, since you disagree with me, what do you make of this verse? James 1:13 (ESV)
Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

Blessings,

Archangel </font>[/QUOTE]You don't read and understand the scriptures I do post so quit asking! </font>[/QUOTE]Oh whatever!

You haven't posted an appropriate scripture on this topic. And you haven't answered the James 1:13 verse!

Archangel

 

What Does James 1:13 have to do with JESUS AS A MAN? NOT A THING! and that's what you got in response, not a thing.

However, since you insist on diversion, James is dealing with the issue of temptation, and no one is able to tempt the God they cannot see, God the father who is spirit. Jesus on the other hand was fully man, and was confronted with every temptation common to man and a few supernatural temptations too! Yet, Jesus did not sin! God cannot be tempted, but Jesus, AS A MAN was confronted by temptations, but did not succumb to any of them. That is why he is "the WORTHY LAMB OF GOD, in Revelation 5. Jesus succeded in doing what all mankind is supposed to do but cannot.

So could Jesus have sinned? As a man tempted in every way common to man, Yes he could...but did not! He was man all the way to the Cross, and could have at anytime up to giving up his spirit on the cross, opted out! But he did not!

As the Son of God HE could not sin!

 

You are addressing consequences and not capabilities

 

Yelsew,

You wrote:

What Does James 1:13 have to do with JESUS AS A MAN? NOT A THING! and that's what you got in response, not a thing.

You must be joking. You are missing the fact that Jesus, as a man, is NEVER seperated from His Divinity. Therefore, it has EVERYTHING to do with Jesus as a man.

You continue:

However, since you insist on diversion, James is dealing with the issue of temptation, and no one is able to tempt the God they cannot see, God the father who is spirit.

WRONG! The James passage says nothing of the ability to tempt a God they cannot see.

You are partially correct, it is dealing with temptation. However, James is encouraging those being tempted to never say "God is tempting me." He then goes on to make a declarative statement that "God cannot be tempted with evil."

If you do not agree with this passage, then you MUST think that God tempts us.

You are making a logical inconsistency with this passage. This is no longer a discussion about theology. Now we are discussing something along the lines of "Does Hamlet utter the words 'To be or not to be?'"? This has degenerated into literary discussion.

You continue:

Jesus on the other hand was fully man, and was confronted with every temptation common to man and a few supernatural temptations too!

I'm not disagreeing with this.

Yet, Jesus did not sin! God cannot be tempted, but Jesus, AS A MAN was confronted by temptations, but did not succumb to any of them.

Jesus was tempted, that is not the issue. The issue is whether He could have sinned. James simply says no.

You conclude:

That is why he is "the WORTHY LAMB OF GOD, in Revelation 5. Jesus succeded in doing what all mankind is supposed to do but cannot.

Your reasoning is wrong here. Revelation does not say that Christ's withstanding of temptation makes Him worthy.

He is worthy....well, I'll just quote the passage in full.

Rev. 5:9-10 (ESV)
And they sang a new song, saying,
"Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
[10] and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth."

He is worthy because he was slain and His blood ransomed a people for God.

Again, we see a case where you are misusing and misquoting scripture to fit your warped theology. This is why you must post and discuss scripture. It is no suprise that you have not done this. You have continued to spew your semi-heretical, pseudo-psycho-babble theology.

Post and discuss scripture. I fear the reason you don't do this is because it would cause you to see that your positions are wrong. Similarly, you would rather conform scripture to yourself rather than conform yourself to scripture, which the Christian is supposed to do.

Blessings,

Archangel

 

I have a little question,Can a women join this discission? I was just wondering.

 

SURE! I don't see why not. Welcome MaryKate!

Blessings,

Archangel