They Dare Call This Science!

Scott, you posted: " show me a doctrine that is taught in the KJV and not taught in the NASB or NKJV. "

Scott, I have several examples of correct doctrines that are perverted in the NKJV, NASB, NIV etc.

I will give you just two of them for now. I will post one and separately the second. Beleive me, I have a lot more examples and I didn't get them out of any KJB only book or other site. I found these myself just by reading and comparing the different versions.

Here is the first one.

Respecter of persons

There is a subtle twisting of God's inspired words taking place in most every modern version in how they changd the meaning of the phrase "respecteth not persons". This is so subtle, that I believe most Christians have not noticed it. The change in meaning produced by versions like the NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB unfortunately fits in with so much of modern theology, that many would actually consider it to be an improvement over the KJB's reading. It fits the philosophy of the natural mind of man.

The concept that "God has created all men equal" does not come from the Holy Bible. God obviously has not created all men equal, nor does He deal with every single individual or nation in what seems to us as a "fair and impartial" manner. Many have become so influenced in their thinking by the reasoning of the world, that they cannot discern this obvious truth.

God has created, formed and made each of us. Yet He has not given to all equal intelligence, good looks, physical skills, nor spiritual gifts. "He divideth to every man severally as He will" 1 Corinthians 12:11. Exodus 4:11 reveals: "And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?".

Not all are born in a country which even has the word of God in its culture, or where it would be openly taught and encouraged. Psalms 147:19,20 "He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD."

Some are born in abject poverty, disease and ignorance, while others are blessed with abundant crops, education and families that care for them. "The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all." Proverbs 22:2.

The phrase "to accept the persons of men" or "to respect persons" does not mean, as the modern versions have translated it, "to show partiality" or "to show favoritism".

Not to show partiality is to treat all men equally; and this God does not do, as His word clearly testifies. Daniel Webster's 1828 dictionary defines "respecter of persons" in this way.

http://65.66.134.201/cgi-bin/webster/webster.exe?search_for_texts_web1828=respecter

Respecter noun. One that respects; chiefly used in the phrase, respecter of persons, which signifies a person who regards the external circumstances of others in his judgment, and suffers his opinion to be biased by them, to the prejudice of candor, justice and equity. "I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. Acts. 10:34.".

Most modern dictionaries either have no entry for this expression, or they changed the meaning beginning around 1913 to mean "does not show partiality". This is an incorrect definition and does not fit its use in the Holy Bible.

The phrase "God is no respecter of persons" means that His dealings with a man are not based on outward appearance, position, rank, wealth or nationality. We all, because of our fallen and sinful nature, are guilty of respecting persons. God does not look to the outward face of a man to determine His dealings with anyone. The literal rendering of this phrase "to respect persons" is "to receive the face". It is to look at the outward appearance and make that the basis for your dealing with such a person. Contrary to our natural ways, God's own sovereign purpose, unsearchable design and pleasure of His will are the only deciding factors in how He deals with His creatures of dust.

We are told in Deuteronomy 7:6-8 "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people: for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you".

Now if God is impartial and shows no favoritism, as the modern versions have it, then can we not charge God with hypocrisy or lying for being "unfair" in choosing the Jewish nation and bypassing all the others?

Deuteronomy 10: 14-17 "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day." Verse 17 "For the LORD thy God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which REGARDETH NOT PERSONS, nor taketh reward."

In this context, God says He chose only the fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and their seed to be His people, and not the others. That He "regardeth not persons" means that He does this, not on the basis of their nationality, nor their good moral character (for they were a stiffnecked and rebellious people), but because is was His good pleasure to do so.

Other Bibles that agree with the KJB here are the Revised Version, the ASV of 1901, the Geneva Bible, the 1936 Hebrew-English, Young's, Darby's, the Spanish versions and Webster's Bible. However the NKJV, NIV and NASB have "shows no partiality". If God chose Israel to be His people, and not the others, is not this showing partiality?

Deut. 14:1,2 "Ye are the children of the LORD your God...and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth." Why did not God choose the other nations to be his children and to know his laws? Isn't this showing partiality or favoritism?

One verse among the hundreds that have been messed up by the NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB is 2 Samuel 14:14. Here Joab saw that king David's heart was toward his son Absalom. So Joab sends a wise woman to speak to the king. In verse 14 she says: "For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again: NEITHER DOTH GOD RESPECT ANY PERSON: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him." In other words, we all must die, whether rich, poor, Jew, Gentile, man or woman, king or servant; God does not look at our social station and on this basis exclude some from death.

Agreeing with the King James reading here are the 1917 Jewish Publication Society of America version, Young's, the Geneva Bible, Webster's Bible, the KJV 21, Third Millenium Bible, and the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras.

But many bibles, including the NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB have the ridiculous reading of "YET GOD DOES NOT TAKE AWAY LIFE", instead of "neither doth God respect any person". This is a lie and a contradiction. In this very book in chapter 12:15 "the LORD struck the child" of David and Bathsheeba and it died. In I Samuel 2:6 we are told "The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up", and in Deuteronomy 32:39 God says "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

It is not that the Hebrew will not allow the meaning found in the KJB, that the NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB have so badly mistranslated 2 Samuel 14:14. They all likewise have translated these same words in other places as they stand in the KJB and others. The modern editors are spiritually blinded and being used to pervert the words of the living God.

The phrase "no respecter of persons" is found 6 times in the New Testament, and every time these modern versions have distorted the true meaning. Romans 2:11, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, James 2:1 and 9, and Acts 10:34. In each case it has to do with not receiving the face, outward position, nationality or social rank of another.

In Galatians 2:6 the same phrase is translated as: "God accepteth no man's person". The verse reads "But of those who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God ACCEPTETH NO MAN'S PERSON for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me."

This is the same reading or sense found in the RV, ASV, Tyndale, Geneva, Young's, Douay, Webster, KJV 21, Green's interlinear, and the Third Millenium Bible.

However, beginning with the liberal RSV both it and the NASB say: "God shows no partiality", while the NKJV has: "God shows personal favoratism to no one". The NIV here surprisingly has the correct idea by saying: "God does not judge by external appearance".

God does not treat all people the same, nor are we told to do so either. We are to withdraw from some, avoid, exclude, reject, separate from, and not cast our pearls before others. Most importantly, God Himself chose His elect in Christ before the foundation of the world and "of the SAME LUMP" makes one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour - Romans 9:21.

Romans 2:11 says "For there is no respect of persons with God." So also read the ASV, Geneva, Revised Version, Spanish "acepción de personas", Lamsa's translation of the Syriac Peshitta, the 21st Century KJV and Green's Modern KJV.

However, the NKJV, NASB, and ESV say " God shows no partiality" and the NIV says "God does not show favoritism". Yet this very book declares in Romans 9 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of him that calleth...Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated...I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy...So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy...Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

In Matthew 20 the Lord Jesus Christ told a parable that illustrates the grace of God and how, to our natural way of thinking, it is "not fair". A householder went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. Some started work right away, others at the third hour, the sixth hour and some at the eleventh hour. Yet He paid them all the same. Those who had worked the whole day began to complain. Then the Lord said: "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil because I am good. So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

Please consider the true meaning of the phrase "no respecter of persons" and contrast it with the modern blunder of "shows no partiality". I hope you will see that it is not the same at all. Only the KJB contains the whole truth of the counsel of God.

Will Kinney

 

Second example of sound doctrine being perverted in the NKJV, NIV, NASB.


Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God

2 Peter 3:12

Promoters of the modern bible versions insist there are no doctrines of the Christian faith which are affected in any way by the differences between the King James Bible and it’s newer counterparts. This is blatantly false in several critical areas. This article will address only one of the several doctrines which have been changed in the NKJV, NIV, and NASB bibles.

Puny man, who is but of dust, can do nothing to effect in any way the timetable already established by Almighty God. Man can neither speed up this timetable nor slow it down. This view is contrary to much modern Christian theology, that seems to portray God as a grandfatherly figure, wringing His hands with worry, hoping things will turn out the way He wants them, but He just can’t get man to cooperate with His desires.

I believe the Biblical position reveals a God “who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.” When king Nebuchadnezzar’s understanding returned to him, after 7 times has passed over him by the decree of the Most High, he said: “ I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou.” Now, that is the God who is truly worthy of worship.

Let’s look at some Scriptures which reveal who controls time; is it God or man? Acts 1:7 Jesus said unto them “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own hands.” Acts 17: 26, 31. tell us God “hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation”...”he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness.” Notice God determined the times and the day of judgment is already appointed. It is “circled on His calendar”.

Revelation 9:15 “And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.” They have already been prepared by God down to the specific hour. Remember even Jesus said that they could not take him captive yet, for His hour had not yet come.

Daniel 2: 20, 21 “Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: he changeth the times and the seasons; he removeth kings, and setteth up kings”

Daniel 8:19 the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to give him understanding, and he said “Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.”

Daniel 9: 24, 25 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression... And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself”

Daniel 11: 27, 29, 35 ”yet the end shall be at the time appointed”...”At the time appointed he shall return...” “even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.”

Habakkuk 2:3 “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it: because it will surely come, it will not tarry.”

It is just as the Psalmist said in 31:15 “My times are in thy hands.”

Genesis 18:14 “Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee...and Sarah shall have a son.”

In Judges 7: 10-14 Gideon is told that if he is afraid, to go down to the host of the Midianites. He goes down, and just as he is there listening, two men relate a dream which reveals that God will destroy the Midianites by the sword of Gideon. Coincidence? No, the timing of God.

In Esther 6:1 Haman is plotting to kill Mordecai, but the night before Haman requests of the king to slay Mordecai, the king cannot sleep and calls for the chronicles to be read to him. Therein he reads of Mordecai having previously revealed a plot to kill the king, and he saved his life. Whereupon, the king decides to honor Mordecai. Coincidence that the king couldn’t sleep? No, the timing of God.

Jeremiah 29: 10 - 12 “For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon, I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place. Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.” God sent this judgment upon Israel, and no matter how much or fervently they might have prayed, they would not be delivered from Babylon, till the appointed time of 70 years had passed.

You might then ask, What does all this have to do with II Peter 3: 12? The verse says in the KJB, Tyndale, the Geneva Bible, Youngs, the Douay, the Spanish bibles 1909 and 1960, the Diodati Italian Bible,Webster’s translation, the 21st Century KJB, and the Third Millenium Bible: “Looking for and HASTING UNTO the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.”

However the new versions have changed the doctrine of the timing of God, by how they have changed the meaning of the inspired text. The NKJV and the NASB say: “looking for and HASTENING the coming” while the NIV says: “as you look forward to the day of God and SPEED ITS COMING.” These versions clearly imply or state that man can do something to speed up the timetable of God. This is a false doctrine and a contradiction.

Some other versions, like the Revised Version, the American Standard Version and the Contemporary English Version, have yet a different meaning than the others. They say: "EARNESTLY DESIRING the coming of the day of God", or "LOOKING FORWARD TO the day of God". While this rendering is different than the KJB, at least it doesn't teach the same heresy as do the NASB, NIV and NKJV.

It may be asked, Then in what way are we “hasting unto” the coming of the day of God, as the KJB and other Bibles say? Good question. I will give the answer as I understand it. It is really quite simple. Verse 8 of this same chapter states “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousands years as one day.” If you or I should live to be a hundred years old, that would be equivalent to less than two and one half hours of God’s time.

We are here but a very short time and are all hastening unto the coming of the day of God.

Psalm 90:4-6, “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. Thou carriest them away as with a flood: they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up. In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.”

Ps. 39:5, “Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth: and mine age is a nothing before thee.”

Ps. 102:11 “My days are like a shadow that declineth: and I am withered like grass.”

Job 4:20, speaks of man as, “They are destroyed from morning to evening”, Job 7: 6, “My days are swifter than a weaver’s shuttle”

Job 8: 9 “For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow.” Job 9: 25, “Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away,” Job 14: 1, 2 “Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.”

So all of us are indeed hasting unto the day of God, which has already been appointed by Him who alone has put the times and the seasons in His own power.

Will Kinney

 

Archy posts:

Will>>>Your modern versions are DELIBERATE changes made in both the text and the wording of thousands of words and they differ from edition to edition INTENTIONALLY.
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Archangel>>>How are the examples below *not* "deliberate changes made in both the text and the wording?"

Not deliberat, Archy. Simple printing errors which were soon corrected. Get a clue.

Will K

 

Arch, you are straining at gnats again. "He was taken from prison" consider, He never literally was in prison, was He? Christ was placed under arrest but He was never in prison. He who should have been exalted to the throne was placed under arrest, mocked and spit on. This was His "humiliation". I have no problem spiritually connecting the two ideas.
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We're not talking about "spiritually connecting two ideas" (which sounds a lot like "it's the message and not the words that really matters," incidentally). We're talking about the exact words of God. And what we have is a clear-cut case of two different versions of those words in the KJV -- which provides absolute and irrefutable Scriptural proof that any form of "One-Version-Onlyism" is unscriptural.

Uh, Archy, God has every right to expand, clarify, and apply His words anyway He pleases. You and I do not have that right.

If I tell my little boy "I don't want you to play with that kid because he is a bully", and then several days later I find out my son has been seen with that other kid, and I then ask him: "Didn't I tell you not to see that Bobby again beause he is mean?" - because I amplified or modified my exact words, have I lied? No. I can do this with my own words because I am the author. Same with God, but more so.

Will K

 

Trotter>>>We do not have the original autographs, but the word of God is not in those. We no longer have the original writers among us, but the word of God is not in them. We no longer have the original work of the 1611 translators, but the word of God was not in it. We have multiple translations in multiple editions, but the word of God is not in them, either. Where, then, is the word of God? It is in the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit the quickens the words to give them the supernatural power to work the will of God."

Hi Trotter, spoken like a true neo-evangelical. No sure words of God but you are led by the "spirit". Go for it guy. And since you are tired of this subject, I suggest you simply stop reading the posts.

It appears God has graciously given you a wife with more spiritual discernment than yourself. I hope some of it rubs off on you in the future.

Will K

 

Hank posts: "However the KJVO just won't stop their attack and I for one wish to meet their well meaning but falsely pious challenge."

Hank, it is the Whateverist, General Message, Probably Close Enuf crowd that first began the attacks on the King James Holy Bible in their attempt to overthrow the final and absolute written authority of the inerrant words of God, and replace it with a multitude of conflicting Catholic versions, none of which agree with each other in hundreds of verses.

This is a Satanic attack on the very words of God, and you are either on one side of this issue or the other.

They guys who are behind the Greek texts that underlie the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV etc. are all apostates like Bruce Metzger and a new ager Catholic like Cardinal Martini. The Catholic church will put their seal of approval on every modern version out there, but one - The Authorized King James Holy Bible. No liberal loves and defends the KJB. These things should tell you something, but apparently they fall on deaf ears.

We live in strange times when someone who actually believes God has kept His promises to preserve His words, and that we have them in a Bible we can hold in our hands, read and believe, is considered a heretic and an ignorant, backwater hick; yet those who tell us that no Bible version or Greek or Hebrew text around today is the complete, infallible, inspired words of God are exalted to positions of leadership and approval.

May God have mercy and open more eyes to the truth.

Will K

 

As for your time worn complaint about Titus and 2 Peter, you follow the flawed logic of people like James White, and you are wrong in your assumptions. The KJB is actually far more accurate in Titus 2:13 than your new versions.
------------------------------------------------------------------------Scott>>>It isn't quite worn out as you nor any other KJVO have been able to effectively answer these objections to KJV superiority.

Hi Scott, try these answers to your objections to the KJB reading in both Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1.

Titus 2:13 “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR Jesus Christ;” Here the critics say the KJB rendering does not fully bring out the deity of Jesus Christ. I don’t really understand what they are talking about, because when I read this passage, it clearly declares that Jesus Christ is the great God as well as our Saviour.

The NKJV, NIV and NASB all join here in rendering this verse as “the appearing of OUR great God and Savior Jesus Christ.” They apparently think this brings out his deity more clearly. However, it is necessary to point out two very important things in this verse. Number one is that the Greek reads exactly as it stands in the KJB, and not as it is in the NKJV, NIV and NASB.

The Greek in all texts reads “the great God and OUR Saviour.” The second thing to point out is the difference in meaning. You see, when Christ appears again in glory, He is the God of everybody - every man, woman and child, believer or unbeliever - but He is OUR Saviour. He is the Saviour of only those who are true Christians, but He is the God and creator of all, and He will be the judge of those who have not believed on Him.

So the KJB is actually more accurate here than the NIV, NKJV and NASB. Other versions that read as does the KJB are the ASV, Webster’s Bible, J.B. Phillips, Tyndale, Wycliffe’s 1380, Cranmer’s Bible 1539, Rheims 1582, Geneva Bible, Lamsa of 1933, the Spanish Reina Valera of 1909 , the Italian Diodati and the Third Millenium Bible.

Another verse that critics cite against the KJB is 2 Peter 1:1. Here we read “To them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Again they say the verse, as it stands in the KJB, does not clearly show the deity of Jesus Christ. The NKJV, NIV and NASB read: “through the righteousness of OUR God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

First, it needs to be pointed out that there are Greek textual differences in this verse. One of the “oldest and best” (this is a blatant lie) manuscripts called Siniaticus reads “Lord” or kurios instead of God. But the NASB and NIV didn’t follow this, but rather the majority reading of God.

Secondly, in the texts followed by the KJB, Beza’s of 1589 and 1598, as well as Elzevirs, there is an additional “our” found before Jesus Christ. Regardless of these textual differences, the verse in question can either serve as a proof text for Christ’s deity or not depending on how you choose to read it.

The reading as it stands in the KJB “God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” can easily be seen as stating that He is both God and our Saviour. Compare other verses with similar wording. In Isaiah 44:6, 24 we are told “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God...Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, AND he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things...” Even though there is the word “and” in between the two nouns, we know there is only one person who is being referred to - God.

The same thing is found in I Thes. 3:11 “Now God himself AND our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ direct our way unto you.”; Galatians 1:4 “according to the will of God AND our Father.” The “and” is not implying another person, but is bringing out another aspect of the same one. He is both God and our Father.

So too, in II Peter the “God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” can be seen as showing another aspect of the same divine Person, just as 2 Peter 1:11 “kingdom of our Lord AND Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Even the reading of the NKJV, NIV and NASB could be looked upon as describing two distinct persons; it all depends on how one reads it.

“Righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”, can be compared to statements like “our Mom and Dad won’t let us go to the party” or “our boss and manager will be at the meeting”.

In Scripture we have “ye are our glory and joy” I Thes. 2:20, and Acts 15:25 “our beloved Barnabas and Paul”. You see, if you wish to see a declaration of Christ’s deity in this verse, it is there. Likewise, it can be explained away by those who do not wish to see it in either rendering.

So, the KJB is in no way inferior to the other versions. Other Bible versions that read just like the KJB in 2 Peter 1:1 are the Italian Diodati, written before the KJB of 16ll, Webster’s 1833 Bible translation, the 21st Century KJB and the Third Millenium Bible.

I hope this has been of some help to those who believe that we have all of God’s inspired, pure words as found in the King James Bible.

Will Kinney