CREATION: TWO BASIC VIEWS

They weren't created at the beginnign of the seventh day. They were created on the sixth day.

 

Sure, but we must remember the issue is not, What could he have done; it is rather, What did he say he did? God could have used millions of years; he could have created it all instantaneously. But what did he say he did? He said he created in six successive 24 hour days and I think we need to go with what he said.

 

I agree Pastor Larry, but scientist can "prove" that the universe is "old".

I'm saying it only looks to be as "old" as they can "prove" it to be.

HankD

 

Here is an example.

Scientist ask us how can we receive the light from stars which are millions of light years away if the universe is only 6000 years old?

Simple, through the power of His might He caused the light of the stars to reach the earth instantaneously at their creation.
He did in an instant what would have normally taken millions of years.

You see what I mean?

HankD

 

They weren't created at the beginnign of the seventh day. They were created on the sixth day.

You are correct, end of 6th day.

 

Hello HankD, Pastor Larry, Dr. Bob, et al!

It's been a while since I dropped in! Got the email about site improvements. Looks great! Miss everyone hear a lot but my life has, shall we say, taken on new dimensions that have grabbed my "posting time."

Regarding the light years/stars problem, I offer this:

Job 9:8 (NIV)He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.

Psalm 104:2 (NIV)He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent

Isaiah 40:22 (NIV)He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Three men, used by God, moved by His Spirit to write the mind of God said, "he stretches out the heavens." You know what? I believe God stretched out the heavens. God created all matter. God created light on day one (a great source of light) which He stretched out to form the universe. As these bodies giving off light were "stretched" from the center of the universe to distances millions of light years apart, their continuum of light from their point of origin was not broken. Perfect solution by a perfect God!

As to Joshua's Babylonian myth debacle, I offer:

http://www.tektonics.org/babgenesis.html

But then as long as Joshua recognizes the canonical writings for what he's fashioned them to be, his three-ring binder Bible becomes quite convenient for removing what doesn't suit him.

Last note: The Hebrew word yom had various time meanings, but when used with a number, ALWAYS means day, and day to the Hebrews was from evening to evening (not sunrise to sunrise as in our culture) just like in Genesis!

In Christ,
John

P.S. Isaiah's verse above - "circle of the earth!" It's actually a myth that the whole earth thought the earth was flat until Columbus' discovery. Rip those pages out of the secular history books along with Java Man and Piltdown Man!

 

Mislead? well, did God mislead us the thousands of years before we discovered that the earth was not the center of the solar system by giving us the appearance of the sun "setting" and "rising" (used in the Scripture BTW)?

Limited preception or not being given all the facts is NOT deception.

Jeremiah 20:7 O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

HankD

 

End?? why end?? I don't see that in the text.

The appearance of age has no real problem. It is an obvious and accepted part of biblical creationism. God created Adam and Eve fully mature, created mature trees, etc. Creating light already here is no problem and it is not misleading to modern scientists. Any scientist who chooses to avail himself of the evidence can readily determine that God created the light already here.

Good to see you back John.

 

In your previous post you said that many believe we are still living in the 7th day. I have never heard of this so would you share where this started or came from and why do they believe this? Thanks!

Hugh Ross writes of this quite a bit. If you notice in Genesis there is a morning and evening to every day except the 7th. It has no evening. Many scriptures talk of entering into God's rest. So many who believe in the long days of Genesis believe we are still in the 7th day and God has ceased from creating.

Hugh Ross's book,"The Genesis Question" is very good at explaining this position and is very easy to read for non-scientist like me.
http://reasons.org/index.shtml

 

Hugh Ross was well answered by Van Bebber and Taylor in a book entitled "Creation and Time" answering Ross's book by the same title. They show that Ross uses arguments that don't stand up to close thought.

 

I haven't tried to remove everything from the canon. It amuses me that, when someone tries to recognize the biblical writings for what they are, fundamentalists claim that it's a fabrication when in fact it's their attempts to turn the biblical writings into a golden calf that attempts to fabricate them into something they are not.

Joshua

 

This is a debate I prefer to stay out of. No matter what view you've got, someone's gonna disagree with you.

What it comes down to is that belief in a literal creation is not a Baptist requirement; it is also not a doctrinal requirement of Christianity. Hence, differing interpretations of Genesis 1 are biblically allowable. If someone says differently, they're wrong.

 

[I haven't tried to remove everything from the canon. It amuses me that, when someone tries to recognize the biblical writings for what they are, fundamentalists claim that it's a fabrication when in fact it's their attempts to turn the biblical writings into a golden calf that attempts to fabricate them into something they are not.

Joshua [/QB][/QUOTE]
We are "fundamentalists" because we believe all of God's Word to be inspired, true, and unchangeable.
4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil.
6 They gather themselves together, they hide themselves, they mark my steps, when they wait for my soul.
7 Shall they escape by iniquity? in thine anger cast down the people, O God.
8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
9 When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me.
10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. Psalm 56:4-10
On the contrary, it is you who worship a "golden calf".

 

Gen 1:1-2 is the first day. "In the beginning" means there was nothing before it. The first day (in this context of beginnings) means there was not a prior day.

Not at all. In v. 5, light was created. In v. 14, the source of light for the earth was created. There is no contradiction here at all. The light can exist without the sun.

 

OK I got a "trick" question. Did God create man AFTER the animals or BEFORE the animals?

 

Gen1 has animals created before man, and them male and female created together. Gen2 has male being created, then animals, then female.