Perfect Bible

How can you make such a statement?? Poor people die of starvation,disease,and murder every day;is that your defenition of being preserved??(see Matt 26:11 & John 12:8)Denying the FACT that God is quite able to preserve His words-which we have available today- is the only display of being willfuly ignorant.Psalms 12:6-7 is true! And I have a copy of it in my possesion:the A.V.

 

How can you make such a statement?? Poor people die of starvation,disease,and murder every day;is that your defenition of being preserved??(see Matt 26:11 & John 12:8)Denying the FACT that God is quite able to preserve His words-which we have available today- is the only display of being willfuly ignorant.Psalms 12:6-7 is true! And I have a copy of it in my possesion:the A.V. </font>[/QUOTE]The righteous are preserved. It doesn't mean they won't die. Every generation has had a righteous remnant. Just trying to clear things up for ya.

 

edited because it was a less then brilliant comment on my part.

 

Johnv, sure you need the Bible, if you didn't have it, how would you know about Jesus?

The Bible tell you about Jesus. But it is Jesus who saves you, not the Bible.

 

Actually, this statement is not true. The KJV is not the only one that reads that way. The NKJV reads just like the KJV here, you really should look at some others before you make such claims. But I would still take the 'them' to be the righteous, not the words, because of the context of the Psalm.

Neal

 

Interesting ... the RSV has "us", not "them". I don't find a version using "him".

Haruo

 

AMEN..........

 

How can you make such a statement??</font>[/QUOTE] Primarily because it is true. The fact that you refuse to accept the original language implications and refuse to even read the KJV in context does not change the facts.

The original document containing these Hebrew words is long gone as well- Didn't God have the power to miraculously preserve these original documents so that there would be no question about what words were written? If I accepted your narrow view of "preservation" then I would expect the original manuscript to be available for all to see... not 1000's of slightly varying mss and ancient translations.

Your assumptions are simply invalid.

Just because you don't know how to properly interpret this passage doesn't make it mean something different than what it means.

It is statements like the one's you give in this post that make me wonder if you aren't a MV'er playing the fall guy.

I am not denying that God can do anything that He chooses to do. I am denying your method of boxing Him into preserving His Word the way you dictate... in direct opposition to the way He actually did preserve His Word. It is you that would limit God in a way that contradicts the known evidence of scripture and history.

JYD, being willfully ignorant means to ignore facts in order to maintain a pre-supposition. I grew up in a KJVO church and only rejected that belief when I honestly and humbly started looking at the facts- willing to swallow my pride and change my beliefs if they were wrong. I am still willing to change my beliefs if convinced by scripture or an honest presentation of evidence that they are incorrect. The KJVO insistence on twisting the meaning of Psalm 12 has further convinced my that KJVOnlyism is a false teaching.

Yes it is. And I have a copy of it in the KJV that I possess as well. That has nothing to do with proving your interpretation.

Would you rather trust God's words as given through the inspired writer in Hebrew or 17th century Anglican persecuters of Baptists?

I choose what God said- not what you think the KJV translators meant when they ambiguously worded this passage.

 

Scott, I have asked countless times and will see your question go unanswered as well.

If the KJVO interpretation of Psalm 12:6-7 is correct, where is the Hebrew manuscript upon which it was originally written?

You won't get an answer because their theology is a joke and made up upon ignorance (IMHBAO).

 

Actually, this debate I found quite interesting. Up until a month or two ago, I used to believe Psalm 12:6-7 was talking about preserving the words, but the context speaks of men, and not words. I looked up the passage in the Geneva Bible (I love e-sword), and it reads as follows:

Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes, as the siluer, tried in a fornace of earth, fined seuen folde.
Psa 12:7 Thou wilt keepe them, O Lord: thou wilt preserue him from this generation for euer.

Jason

 

If this is the case, then what provision did God make for the non-English reading common man to read and understand what God's will is? Is the non-English person hopeless unless he can read the KJV?

 

So, what you are saying that the KJV translators were so corrupt that they twisted the meaning to support their own version. How sick. How evil. This is so characteristic of these men. They are vile lovers of money.

In fact, this is exactly where Ruckman gets his stuff. The KJV translators corrected the originals. Now, Ruckman follows suit. I feel sick. Pass the Pepto Bismal, I might be awhile.

 

I've posted this same question about 12 times now, and have yet to receive an answer. Seeing as how I own a Dutch and German Bible, I'd like to know what makes the KJV "more perfect" than these translations.

 

Because the two languages you speak of are NOT the universal language of the end times;English is spoken in all the world.Simple?

 

That's stupid. English ain't spoken in all the world.

 

Boy, I wish the Brazilians had known that when I was there. They kept on speaking portuguese for some reason. I spent three and a half months speaking to 4 people because the "universal language" was not universal.

 

Because the two languages you speak of are NOT the universal language of the end times;English is spoken in all the world.Simple? </font>[/QUOTE]Resolved: Never take seriously KJVO proponents.

Resolved: Determine to not break a rib when I read KJVO arguments.

Resolved: To stop believing that KJVO proponents actually might answer a question directly.

JYD, do you not see how absolutely foolish your statement is? Where in the Bible does it say that English is the language of the end times? How do you know that China will not take over the world one day and force everyone to learn and speak chinese? You don't. I am serious now, I have to read KJVO stuff about 4 times before I come to the realization that they actually say this stuff.

I don't know whether I should laugh or cry.

 

I guess the perfect Bible is in Chinese then.

1. Chinese (Mandarin) 1,075,000,000
2. English 514,000,000
3. Hindustani 496,000,000
4. Spanish 425,000,000
5. Russian 275,000,000
6. Arabic 256,000,000
7. Bengali 215,000,000
8. Portuguese 194,000,000
9. Malay-Indonesian 176,000,000
10. French 129,000,000

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http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/toptens/languages/languages4.html

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