Perseverance of the Saints

This isn't a forum on eschatology to discuss the gazillion different interpretations involved in that subject.

I just passed along a Scripture that I thought might help, that's all.

 

Those are people who persist "in having pleasure in unrighteousness" (i.e. are "hardened" or "given over"). It is not talking about people thinking they were saved but then fell away because God only gave them an "incomplete" faith.

 

Yes, I know.

 

I guess, romanbear, because I am just simply stupid.

 

Very true RB for as scripture says "God Himself does not tempt ANYONE" James 1:13.

God is the source of all things good.

However to those that turn from the light (for the LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS and men LOVED darkness rather than light) - we find that God leaves them to reap the results of turning from the supernatural "DRAWING of ALL MEN unto Him".

In Christ,

Bob

 

Of those who love darkness it is said they refuse to come to the light because their deeds will be made manifest; so God is not at fault at all.

Bro. Dallas

 

No question God is NOT at fault for INSTEAD of saying "the Light shone in SOME dark areas but did not CARE for others" we find that Christ is the light of "EVERY MAN". God is not at fault for God DRAWS and reaches out to EVERY MAN convicting "The WORLD of Sin and Righteousness and Judgment".

You are correct - God is not at fault.

In Christ,

Bob

 

You just paraphrased Romans 10.14

I came because: 1) the word says
2) He would forgive my sins and
3) give me a new heart

According to your statement, when did you believe this? After you repented only? Or before you came did you not come simply because you believed? That is what I read in Romans 10.14 and that is what I read in your testimony. To which I say Amen!

God Bless.

Bro. Dallas

 

I agree with you Romanbear about the essentials, but still there can be only one truth; (I think I have some highlanders in my ancestry )

No, but seriously, Jesus said no one can see nor enter into the kingdom except he be born again, he did not say that we must enter the kingdom in order to be born again.

I do not doubt any man's testimony, Rom. 8.16; but not all that is taken and taught as doctrine is truth; I am a sinner saved by grace, and if not a sinner in need not of a saviour, nor grace.

God Bless Brother.

Bro. Dallas

 

Interesting that you say it like this, "I do not doubt any man's testimony, Rom. 8.16; but not all that is taken and taught as doctrine is truth; I am a sinner saved by grace, and if not a sinner in need not of a saviour, nor grace."

In God's grace I am a sinner saved through faith! (just like Abraham). I was a sinner in need of a savior, but now I am saved, because I have a savior, provided by, and to be, God's grace.

 

I remain a sinner saved by Grace and Grace alone.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Grace is the fountainhead from which that precious blood and your saving faith has flowed my brother.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

In the old and new testaments it is man's faith in God that saves the man!

 

So much for your premise...what was it the other day you said the slave can be free by wishing it so?

Grace from eternity is the fountainhead of the Blood of the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world.

Grace and Grace alone moved God to provide himself a sacrifice (Abram to Isaac)

Gen. 22
7  And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Hebrews 1:1  ¶God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Grace moved God the Father to provide; Grace moved God the Son to become the lamb for the sacrifice; all is founded upon Grace. Grace moves the Holy Spirit to quicken the dead sinner.

Hebrews 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

GRACE DOES NOTHING IN THE ABSCENCE OF FAITH!