Christians Must not block the "roadmap" for peace

Amen, amen, and amen!

 

1Cor.3
[19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

God will have the final say. He may decide to intervene in this Road Map before it is ever final. Then again, He may not. We will watch and see.

In the final analysis, it will be Jesus Who rules & reigns from the Throne of David in the City of Zion, the City of David. Not Mo. God will have the Final Word.

 

Just curious, SheEagle9/11, how will we know if God intervenes to sidetrack the Road Map? If there is a series of homicide bombings? If either the Israeli or Palestinian prime minster is assassinated?

Bottom line, SheEagle9/11, would you be disappointed if the Road Map succeeds and it brings about a Palestinian homeland on the West Bank, Gaza, and eastern Jerusalem, and peace between the Israelis and Palestinians - or at least less violence than there has been in decades?

 

Next to the bottom line....the Road Map will not bring about an end to homicide bombings.

Bottom Line....CLUES:

Daniel 9

Matthew 24

Mark 13

Rev 13

Ezekiel 38

Rev 19

 

You didn't answer my questions, SheEagle9/11. And they are legitimate questions. I hope you are not letting your eschatological viewpoint interfere with the desire that all rational humans have to see all people live in peace.

So, will you answer my questions?

 

The "Road Map" will not bring about peace in the Middle East. All the Arab nations hate Israel, and one of the Palestinians main tenets is taking away the Jewish homeland. Regardless of theological viewpoint, the land was given to the Jews in 1948 and the Palestinians have no right to it. By the way, what's a Palestinian? There is no such nation. Yassir Arafat is Egyptian, and the rest are from other Arab countries. I'm with you, She Eagle.

 

For some reason I am afraid that Christians, regardless of theological viewpoint, are more interested in fighting than in at least trying to find peaceful means to resolve disputes. Maybe we are regaining the old mentality from 1000 years ago during the Crusades.

Are we not obligated as disciples of the Prince of Peace to at least try to peacefully resolve disputes? Should we not at least be trying to teach both Jews and Palestinians to love their children more than they hate each other?

Perhaps SheEagle9/11's failure to answer my questions speaks volumes. Very unfortunate volumes.

 

I think the people of the region must learn to peaceably solve their own problems. If the people of the region decide the roadmap is a viable solution, then so be it. If they don't then another solution will present itself. I become increasingly concerned when American Christians try to tell the middle east how to solver its problems.

 

Perhaps SheEagle9/11's failure to answer your questions only meant she was taking a nap!

I must say, this is the first time I've been accused of speaking volumes when I was silent. Condemned if I do and condemned if I don't, eh?

Unfortunately, there are some who will NOT know. Some will.

The Arab nations initiated four wars against Israel:

1948 War of Independence
1956 Sinai War
1967 Six Day War
1973 Yom Kippur War

God intervened & fought for Israel each time. Of course some refuse to see that God intervened then and they will be the same ones who refuse to see it if & when God intervenes once again.

There have already been a series of homicide bombings. What part of Intifada do you not understand?

Your position regarding the Road Map is based on a series of myths:

Myth 1: A separate Palestinian people existed with historic roots in Palestine

Myth 2: The Zionist Jews stole the land from Palestinian Arabs

Myth 3: Israel is responsible for the plight of the Arab refugees

Myth 4: If the West, particularly the US, would be fair and evenhanded, Israel would be neutralized and Palestinian Arab problems would cease.

I don't believe it will. What part of Islamic teaching of "drive Israel into the sea" do you not understand? What part of Islamic domination 101 do you not understand?

However, let's just say for the sake of argument (only) that you are correct, peace and safety does come about. Then all it is doing is setting Israel up for the coming invasion of Gog and Magog.

It will be curious to see how Solomon's 3rd Temple will be built when all of Jerusalem is in control of Islam and all of Christianity's holy sites are under Islamic control and Jerusalem is the capital of the New State of Palestine.

All is in God's hands and His timing. All Prophecy will be fulfilled. God ultimately has the final say in the affairs of men and of nations. All will be done according to His Supreme Will and Purpose. I am against the Road Map from Hell but if God allows it to happen, then it is ultimately in His hands & ultimately His will. His will WILL be done. But I believe He will intervene.

If the Neo-Nazis, Islamic Fundamentalists, baby butchering, pro-gay, socialist liberals are all jumping up & down with glee over this "Road Map," that in itself pretty much tells me it was hatched in hell.

My eschatological viewpoint has nothing to do with the desire that all rational humans have to see all people live in peace. The people of Iraq wanted to live in peace, but some of the very same people who applaud this Road Map were against freeing the people of Iraq. The Sudanese people would like to live in peace. Many countries in Africa would like to live in peace. Many nations under Islamic rule would like to live in peace and have freedom for all.

http://www.persecution.org

Your feeble attempt to villianize pre-tribbers, insinuating that we do not want peace because certain of us believe Israel is STILL the apple of God's eye and is STILL God's chosen people and do not believe in Replacement Theology (that the church TOOK the place of Israel) is quite shall we say, overwhelming, if not offensive & divisive to boot.

Israel would like to live in peace. Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Aqsa Martyr Brigade, the PLO, and Palestinian Jihad and those who support them do not desire peace. Independent polls of Palestinians show the majority of the Palestinian people support homicide bombings. You do not indoctrinate and raise generations of children to blow themselves and others up with bombs and then one day wave a magic wand called a "Road Map for Peace" and expect the homicide bombings will stop.

Anyone who is naive enough to believe that, needs to quit abusing substances, IMO.

Click -Palestinian Education of Children


http://www.palestinefacts.org/

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/history/story/history20021220.html

I pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. Shalom.

 

I do not blame the Israelis for the current situation. They were attacked and took land as a defense mechanism. Regardless of how the current situation developed it is time for Israel to return the land it gained in the 1967 war in exchange for peaceful co-existence. They need to allow a Palestinian state. If don't receive peace upon doing so, then they should build a wall along the border of the Palestinian state and keep them out.

You mean sort of along the same lines as dispensational premillennialists insinuating, if not outright stating, that those who disagree with their eschatology are anti-Semitic and don't believe the Bible.

That's why I said it is necessary for both the Palestinians and the Israelis to learn to love their children more than they hate each other.

By the way, SheEagle9/11, after all of that wordage of yours you still did not answer my question as to specifically how we will know if God intervenes to stop the peace process that you oppose. And you did not answer if you will be disappointed if the Road Map succeeds in bringing peace. By the way, people like you calling it the "Road Map from Hell" shows a certain lack of desire for peace among Israelis and Palestinians, in my opinion.

And, finally, what are you doing taking a nap while I'm trying to debate with you!

Have a blessed night's rest.

Maranatha.

 

Then please quote for me where she answered the questions. I didn't find them.

 

Some of us may hear a still small voice.

Some of us may stand still and see His Glory!

Some of us may hear the "sound of a going in the tops of the mulberry trees."

Or some of us may be crying but will still know God is ultimately in control.

The battle we see with earthly eyes is not always what is going on in the Spiritual realm. Only if one seeks to have his/her spiritual eyes opened, can one truly see beyond the physical maneuvers.

No, calling it the "Road Map from Hell" doesn't mean there is a lack of desire for peace. That perception of "people like me" is flawed.

Road Map from Hell is (from my frame of reference) simply calling it by what it is - a tool designed to sell out the nation of Israel, a tool designed to End the Only Democracy in the Middle East - giving in to the terrorists & their demands. Appeasement of the terrorists in their quest to drive Israel into the sea. And,

Putting our national affirmative "seal of approval" on the acts of terrorist homicide bombers by not insisting that they go at least 6 months or one year without any further homicide bombings before Israel is urged to sit down at the negotiating table.

The US is supposed to be fighting a war on terror. Which is why we took out the Taliban and sought to take out al-Qaeda. Which is why we undertook a regime change in Baghdad. But we speak with forked tongue (meaning the Administration) when we strong arm Israel & threaten sanctions if they do not go along with our "Road Map" and by insisting they do not have the same rights to fight the war on terrorism as we ourselves have done. And,

By not rooting out the terrorist camps of Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Jihad in Syrian occupied Lebanon which churns out more homicide killers by the week.

Could someone be trying to win the Muslim vote in 2004?

Me disappointed if the Road Map brings peace? I don't believe the Road Map will bring about peace.

Any plan for peace can only come about when there is a concerted effort on BOTH parties which historically, there has not been. You keep saying peace would come about when both Israelis and Palestinians love their children more than they hate each other.

Well, that is true Ken. Except you left out part of the equation. Palestinians truly believe that when their children go blow themselves up and kill Jews, their children are going to Paradise and therefore, the whole family will be guaranteed a spot in Paradise because of this supreme act of "martyrdom" for Allah.

Israelis, on the other hand, do not teach their children these things. Judeo-Christian teachings are different than Islamic teachings when it comes to the sanctity of human life.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" is not in the Quran.

It would be nice if reality was as simplistic as the average person, including you & me, would like it to be, wouldn't it?

Disappointed to see the only Democracy in the region destroyed? Yes.

Disappointed to see the Holy Places of Christianity come under Islamic control? Yes. Like they dessecrated the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem by urinating & defecating in it, etc., while it was under seige from the Islamic terrorists during Christmas? Yes.

Disappointed to see God's judgment on America and the UK for being tools to bring about the destruction of Nation of Israel, the apple of God's Eye? Yes.

Disappointed in seeing peace? There will never be true lasting peace until the Prince of Peace comes to Rule & to Reign with a Rod of Iron from the Throne of David in Jerusalem, Mt. Zion.

How many peace treaties have the best men, governments, and minds created over the history of the world that have lasted?

Then there is an alternative view of one reader who wrote in to the Jerusalem Post. (It wasn't me. They didn't publish my letter yet. LOL.)

NOW THAT, Brother Ken, is even more radical than my viewpoint, wouldn't you say?

A woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do! And now, without further ado, guess where I'm headed? Good night. Sleep tight.

 

That would be a bonus reason for seeing the Road Map succeed, beyond the most important reason of the Israelis and Palestinians, especially the children, living in peace. The bonus would be to see dispensational premillennialism proven wrong beyond a shadow of a
doubt.

Sweet dreams, SheEagle9/11.

Maranatha.

 

Whatever one's political stance on this (I am basically pro-Israel), let us not forget Who writes history (and it isn't Bush, Sharon, Arafat, or anyone else wearing a suit).

Acts 17:24-26 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

Neither we nor anyone else is going to hinder the plan of God in this matter.

 

Squire speaks wisely.