Please help me Understand

Thank you for sharing those links.

 

Ok Aaron,

Just read the whole commentary and nowhere do I see that this word is used universally without age limitations. I see that it is used universally without gender limitations, and is thus pointed out by Thayer. Interestingly, no such statement is made by him about their age. One might want to:

1. Take into acount that Thayer does not contradict Strongs and Vines, and perhaps, did not expound on the root of the word as much.

2. Look at the use of the word in the context in which it is used in the passage. I think the Biblical and linguistic evidence is not really for you on this one. Your case is rather weak as it is built on the fact that one Greek scholar was silent about the age limitation. You are building a case from silence.

You say you have already addressed the leave and cleave argument, but then you turn around and say that no matter what age we are, the Bible tells us that we are to obey our parents. This is a contradiction.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Whatever.

Have a good day.

 

If that's so, then I suppose I'm only to love my wife if I feel she is in God's will?

It is no honor to parents to obey a command to do unrighteousness, but it is dishonor to proceed in something they have forbidden, and the choice of a mate is well within the scope of their authority.

You can pray all you want, but any feelings one may have after praying are vain when God has already clearly spoken.

 

Elnora,

Why did your mother want you to marry such a man? I'm sorry about that,but I still believe that Proverbs was written to give instruction to us today. Of course,parents should be obeying God's Word,too....

Molly

 

That is the thing. I don't think that God has clearly spoken on this issue.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Money. We weren't raised in a Christian home so first I wasn't familiar with Proverbs yet. I believe they were written to be our guide also.


Should we obey parents no matter what. Would it dishonor them if they told you to help them steal and you refused to?

If I was a Christian then I still would not lie for her, steal for her or whatever evil she chose to ask. We are rather to obey God than men.


This thread has gotten way off topic. But the original poster was asking help with a situation where the wifes parents are obviously not living according to God's word. He married his wife and they are one flesh. The Word tells a man to love his wife as Christ loves the church and gave himself for it. Not love the wife as he loves mom and dad. The Word said following him will divide families.

 

Elnora,

You are right that we should obey God rather than man....if they ask you to sin,you should not....(I agree with this in relation to all authority issues)but how is it being concerned about who someone is marrying sinful. Most parents who are believers are very concerned if they feel their child is making a poor choice...

If we do not think our daughter is choosing a godly husband,then we would discuss that together...this would probably be one of the few reasons we would offer our judgement. Another reason would be if he could not provide for them,so she could stay home with the children...these would be important issues to discuss and advise her to look at this from a biblical perspective....our daughters are still young,but they already know what kind of men they will marry because we have spent much time training and teaching them about the roles of husbands and wives...dating...courting...raising children,etc. I feel very confident they they will make wise choices one day....but,if we see them going down a path where these things are not sought after,we would talk to them while still in the courting atsge,not at the time of the engagement,it should happen before that!

I think it would be very strange for parents to say...no,you can not marry him because I just don't like him...there should be biblical reasons.

Molly

 

Yes I would hope all Christian parents are concerned, We would and did advise our daughters not to be unequally yoked to unbelievers, and why.

I agree. No problem there. We advised our daughters also. Once they were married we stayed out of their business though. Unless they ask. They still come to us for advise in every area of their lives. But I certainly don't expect them to obey me like a child. I advise them when they ask, not demand that they obey.

It is strange but not every parent has only their offsprings interest at heart many make demands for their own selfish reasons. We
can honor our parents though, acording to scripture.

We moved my dad in when he had a major stroke and took care of him. Same with mom. When her husband was dying of cancer we took care of him and helped her when she had to sell the house. She chose to live with one of my sisters. We honored them by not answering sharply when they were being nasty.
We honored them by taking care of them instead of putting them in a nursing home. But we also honor our spouse and we do have boundaries.

My point was when an unbelieving parent advises us to do wrong God does not require we obey. Once we are married we are not required to obey parents but God and we can still show them honor be they believers or not.

 

Let me try to answer this with scripture/ Hope this helps.
Galatians,3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise."

 

May I chime in on this discussion?

Well, I grew up in Tennessee, and then lived in Florida until nine months ago, so I can tell you that either place is a great place to live.

I grew up in an independent, fundamental, Jerry-Falwell-is-a-liberal Baptist church that was hyper-legalistic (Jack Hyles preached at our church several times), so I completely understand this point. I would like to point out not all IFB churches are like this. As a matter of fact, the church where I was raised eventually caved in under the weight of their legalism, and is no longer like this.

Simply put, the statements made by your wife’s cousin are completely asinine. I know that in life we must choose our battles, but if I had been there, I would not have let him get away with making that statement to you. The fact that this cousin is going to be a preacher is very unsettling.

Easy answer: don’t ask them how they feel about your marriage. To be blunt, it’s none of their business.

This question should be posed to your wife’s cousin.

To be frank, for their sake I hope that they don’t. IF they did something like breaking up your marriage, do you think that Almighty God would not hold them accountable?

It is very easy for me to tell you what to do because I am not in your situation. I would be objective though. The congregation may not be infected with the idiocy exhibited by your wife’s cousin. Give them a chance, and see how they treat you, and more importantly, how they treat your wonderful wife. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. You might find that they are a loving church.

If you do find that they possess these beliefs, leave them immediately. If they begin to interfere in your marriage, address this immediately. Moreover, if they attack your wonderful wife, be swift in your rebuke. And if you need support, by all means PM me. I always have time for you

 

Wow, you went from Genesis to Galatians in only two sentences? How does Galatians 4:2 pertain to marriage?

 

Baptist in Richmond,

Very wise advise. The Lord had given you a way with words I pray for.

 

While my suggestion will not do anything to counter the racism you're experiencing, I think I may be able to explain it and tell you a way to deflect it.

If, as you said, you've done your family tree and you are of Spanish ancestry, unmixed, then you can tell your in-laws that you are a white European just as they are. Spanish is the same "race" as French and German and English and Irish and Italian--they're all "white."

The problem that often arises for racists when learning someone is Hispanic is that most Chicanos and other Latin Americans are mestizos (mixed blood of Indian and white ancestry), and many Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Brazilians, et al. are mixed ancestry that includes white, Indian, and African. So when they think Hispanic, they think "not white."

You can correct them in your particular case.

Again, I know this doesn't help much with the issue of racism itself, but other posters here have done a good job, I think, showing how unscriptural it is.