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Nice smoke screen
Of course not;it would prove that the buisness of "the KJB is hard to read" is nothing but tripe.
But it would prove that the NIV, as well as the other MVs contain language that, although not "archaic," is still not the everyday English like it is held up to be. The "harder to understand" charge holds no water with me whatsoever.
But why are they difficult? That's the key. Is it a matter of theological comprehension or is it a matter of grammatical comprehension? The MVS are likely the former, while the KJV is more of the latter. And the latter affects the former, which is one reason why the KJV is inferior.
I liked your post, I was reading it, learning things I hadn't heard explained so well before....until I got to this part. I am who you are speaking of. And may I say...Ouch!
Don't get that started, we're liable to find out that none of us are writing on a very hi level...Originally posted by rlvaughn:
I ran Matthew 1 and came up with KJV/6.4/66.6 (grade level/readability ease) and NIV/12.0/37.9 (grade level/readability ease). There are obviously grade level "standards" other than Flesh-Kincaid, but I am glad to find this tool. Now I'm going to plug in some of my posts and see how I'm doing for readability/grade level.
You mean to tell us Pastor Larry that the word begat is why you threw out the word of God. That is pretty shallow don't you think? Not to mention the NIV has words that most adults don't know what they mean that are a lot bigger.
Well said. I just threw it in because this is what Bob asked for to begin with. The fact is, it is perfect to the letter. Its God's Holy word and it wouldn't matter if no one could understand it. God doesn't need anyone helping him out on his grammar or updating the Bible for Him.
Well said. I just threw it in because this is what Bob asked for to begin with. The fact is, it is perfect to the letter. Its God's Holy word and it wouldn't matter if no one could understand it. God doesn't need anyone helping him out on his grammar or updating the Bible for Him.
I never met a child that didn't understand, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Yes and they get it from a KJV. I never met one that couldn't understand Romans 10:13 or Eph. 2:8,9 or Rom. 4:4-5. But I tell you what will matter, when you convince them to get down and repeat a prayer because you gave them mans reasoning and told them they could go to heaven and they just said why not and repeated after you but didn't get a HEART felt conviction and die and go to hell thinking they are OK>>>> All because you didn't use the word of God.
Ah,I see. When it comes to trying to support ones views about the MVs they always drag the KJB translators into it;according to them,they are the best thing since sliced bread.If they are wanting to downplay the KJB;the KJB translators are nothing but a bunch of baby sprinkling,Baptist persicuting,Anglican puppets.Why is this??? This seem to be a double standard.
I didn't tell you that. I have not thrown out the word of God. In fact, just this morning, I enjoyed 10 chapters from the book of 2 Chronicles. I am getting ready to study from the book of Titus for this week's morning message. So don't make stuff up. I don't know of any in this forum who have thrown out the word of God.
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Is this the best you can do??? This is perhaps the silliest thing I Have seen yet and I have seen an awful lot of this stuff.
If you would read it, you would realize it is. I would imagine that if you would pour yourself into the NIV for 30 days, you would never go back. It would take a little getting used to, but it would be like the light was just turned on.
The word in question is chalamuth. You know what it means?? Just for kicks, I copied the HEbrew Lexicon here: name of a plant, with thick, slimy juice, purslain (fig. of insipid and dull discourse); the ref. is to Job's suffering, rather than to the unpalatable words of his friends. (pg 321). So the RSV is the only literal translation of this verse. The others aren't literal. The white of the egg is an understanding of it.
Not true. The liberals are making stuff up because their minds reject the authority of God's word. Keeping God's word from the common man by keeping it in an outdated language has made it easier for them. If people had God's word in a language that they easily understood, the false teachers would have a much harder time because people would be learning more.
Long ago and the matter was settled.
In my world of ministry, I have seen the accusation proved true more times than I can remember. The problem was that it created a sense of distance between God and young people. You, like I, probably used the KJV for years so it is not the big of a deal. But for those who are not brought up on it, the language is a great unnecessary barrier. And it is not just about who can list words that people don't understand. It is about sentence structure, and pronouns, etc. These things are unused in modern English and unnecessary for the Bible.
