Roman Catholic Bibles.

mind telling us which version/s ur church has in mind?

the apocryphal books r not tiny bits; they're there to prop up RCC doctrines that r not in God's Word. so u'll want to be sure they're not included as/between Scriptures.

i'd look up references to "repent" as well as passages Luther pointed out that needed to be translated in a way that highlights Paul's INTENDED/embedded meaning (n not merely "translate" word forms in a formal way, as the RCC did n therefore missed the Meaning). Luther's brilliant comments r found here: http://www.augustana.edu/religion/lutherproject/On%20Translating/on%20translating.htm

anyone who agrees w me is necessarily brilliant

 

The Confraternity Version is, I believe, the forerunner of the New American Bible. I have made use of this translation in the past, and I agree with Dr. Bob - the English is excellent, but the translation is suspect in places. If you're going to use any RC Bible for study, make sure you have a decent evangelical translation on hand as well.

 

Normally, I agree with you, but this time I had to read that three times, just because I didn't first believe I understood you correctly. How did Luther know the "intended/embedded" meaning, if not via the formal words themselves? How do the word forms in a formal way miss the meaning?

Can you give specifics?

BTW, I didn't find Luther's comments "brilliant", I found them very arrogant and completely lacking of patience and humbleness.

,
Brian

 

mioque,

The Vulgate is actually not the offical translation anymore. The Constitution on Revelation from Vatican II said that biblical translations (used in vernacular worship) should be taken from the original langauges and done in conjuction with non-Catholic Greek and Hebrew scholars, i.e. Protestant, Jewish, Orthodox, etc.

BTW, Dr. Bob in using the notes from Pius you should be careful not to assume that such teachings are true of the post-Vatican II Roman Catholic Church. Many of my Catholic friend no longer speak of indulgences (they still exist, but have nothing to do with time and are not really spoken about at all anymore) or even purgatory (which has been spiritualized as a purification before meeting God--they also emphasize that Christ has done the work to get you there). Great variation now exists within the Church, especially among theologians, that was not true pre-V2.

Grace and Peace, Danny

 

The Precise Parallel NT is great for that: it contains the Greek text, the KJV, Douay, NAB, NASB, NIV, Amplified, and NRSV.

 

You might want to consider looking at the beginning of Ezekiel in the American Bible.
Compare the verses (and order) with other Bibles.

 

i'm not sure how this can be, if Vatican 2 specifically re-endorses Trent, which may allow for other translations but still anathemizes those who repudiate the Apocrypha. privately, Roman Catholics may repudiate this or that false doctrine, but we have to go by the official teaching, which by the RCC's claim is infallible n on par w the Scriptures. the practice or belief of a few means nothing--a few of them believe in liberation theology n abuse children. it's the official religion that's apostate, n unless repented of, it needs to be held up as a warning.

 

This is why I mentioned it.
I believe I now do not understand what you are after. I am sorry.

 

i'm not sure how this can be, if Vatican 2 specifically re-endorses Trent, which may allow for other translations but still anathemizes those who repudiate the Apocrypha. privately, Roman Catholics may repudiate this or that false doctrine, but we have to go by the official teaching, which by the RCC's claim is infallible n on par w the Scriptures. the practice or belief of a few means nothing--a few of them believe in liberation theology n abuse children. it's the official religion that's apostate, n unless repented of, it needs to be held up as a warning. </font>[/QUOTE]Can you quote a section of V2 that "anathemizes those who repudiate the Apocrypha"? Their statements on the Bible come from the "Constitution on Divine Revelation." Constitution on Divine Revelation

Official teaching is not exactly on par with scripture--they would say that the scripture is a result of tradition, and they cannot be understood outside the tradition. As a Baptists, I don't think this is too far off (though I resist the idea, contra the RCC, that the tradition can be bound to any group--i.e. bishops). Most people I have seen post here take their understanding of scripture from the teachings of their church--not on the basis of their own scholarship.

Grace and Peace, Danny

 

I am sorry, but I am even more confused. I suggested that you look at Ezekiel in the New American Bible (which is a Catholic Bible here in America). The way this translation has changed the order of the verses (in Ezekiel) is quite interesting/eyebrow raising if you will.
At this time, I would like to withdraw from this topic. I do not understand what you are looking for. I am sorry.

 

I used to think James 5:16 in Catholic Bibles ("Confess your sins one to another..." instead of "Confess your faults one to another...") was an example of what you are looking for. That was until I discovered how the same Greek word was translated everywhere else in Protestant Bibles, then I began to wonder if the "something fishy" doesn't sometimes go both directions.

I don't usually read a "Catholic" Bible, so I don't know any examples off-hand of things that might qualify. However, I have been poking through the New American Bible (not the New American Standard Bible, but the one published by the Catholics) quite a bit lately. All in all, it's a good translation.

And I don't mind having the Apocryphal books in some of my Bibles. I have a 1611 KJV reprint, after all.

 

For the most part Catholic Bibles are good (apart from the Apocrypha) but there are places:

Douay-Rheims Luke 15:10 So I say to you, there shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance.

KJV Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

ASV Luke 15:10 Even so, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

NIV Luke 15:10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

NIB Luke 15:10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

NAS Luke 15:10 "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

HankD