Is it a sin to wear jewelry & braid your hair?

MY conviction on this is that Christian women are to dress modestly and can wear jewelry, make-up, etc. in moderation. I also believe ones' hair is all the covering a woman needs to pray, that dresses and appropriatly fiting pants are okay too.

Now that's MY conviction.....

Diane

 

You said it is not a command from God to not wear these items. Please show Scripture that proves we are free to do so.

From what you have written above I understand that you are saying that only if the church has a problem with ladies using these items as status symbols. Is that correct?

If that is correct where is that in Scripture?

I am also interested in your answer about my question about the immorality in churches and out of the churches. The numbers are very, very high these days.

Do you think that if men everywhere were praying with holy hands and women wore modest clothing at all times that there would be less of these problems?

 

apparently like broided hair, gold, pearls, or costly array in any event, i prefer the plain inspired teaching of the apostles over any notes in the geneva bible, written by infant baptizing heretics.

one could line up 10,000 men and have them claim the bible does not say what it does, but the bible would still be the infallible word of god, and our only guide for faith and practice.

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar... </font>[/QUOTE]Amen!

 

No, I don't think it would because there are so few Christians.....

It is VERY sad tho that we are such a minority!

Diane

 

I agree! Doing what God's Word is always right. </font>[/QUOTE]You have to get the word correct first by using all the related verses and not pulling one out and building a doctrine around it. By doing so leaving off the rest of what God had to say on the subject. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Timothy explained it yesterday that the verses in 1 Peter 3 say that a woman is not to adorn herself with gold, plaiting of the hair OR apparel.

The word adorn means decorate. If she is wearing the apparel to decorate herself that is wrong.

I see no contradiction with Paul and Peters writings. They compliment themselves very nicely. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Big differnece being those are things the bible says are sins, not things I say are sins. You make up what you think it says, and then tell people if they don't do it your way, they are sinning, obey HCL or your sinning.

 

Timothy explained it yesterday that the verses in 1 Peter 3 say that a woman is not to adorn herself with gold, plaiting of the hair OR apparel.

The word adorn means decorate. If she is wearing the apparel to decorate herself that is wrong.

I see no contradiction with Paul and Peters writings. They compliment themselves very nicely. </font>[/QUOTE]Big differnece being those are things the bible says are sins, not things I say are sins. You make up what you think it says, and then tell people if they don't do it your way, they are sinning, obey HCL or your sinning. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Katie,
I am very confused about what you are talking about.

I do not see any contradiction in Peter and Timothy's Epistle but they compliment each other perfectly.


1 Peter 3 says that a woman is not to adorn (decorate) herself with the things mentioned.

And I NEVER, ever want someone to do what I am doing for the sake of doing what I am doing.

I am now to the point where I do love to have my head veiled for Jesus and to wear dresses for Him. If I did not do these things I would be sinning.

I did however enjoy wearing sweat pants, they were very comfortable. I did love to receive compliments on my hair and makeup. I did love to fit in with Baptists on the way I appeared.

[ July 11, 2003, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Headcoveredlady ]

 

You said it is not a command from God to not wear these items. Please show Scripture that proves we are free to do so.

I have aleady done so.
Please show scripture where it IS commanded BY God to not.

From what you have written above I understand that you are saying that only if the church has a problem with ladies using these items as status symbols. Is that correct?
What I fully stated was: Does it apply to today? Yes, IF this is a problem and/or IF GOD has convicted you of this. Don't debate only using half quotes that change what I said.

If that is correct where is that in Scripture?
1 Timothy


I am also interested in your answer about my question about the immorality in churches and out of the churches. The numbers are very, very high these days.
Do you think that if men everywhere were praying with holy hands and women wore modest clothing at all times that there would be less of these problems? </font>[/QUOTE]You know, I have no idea. It might lower it a bit, but I don't think it would be to big of a dramatic drop. Because no matter what you or I do to try and get "men everywhere" to do this, they won't; nor will all women be convinced to wear modest clothes. But that still opens up the whole can of worms of modest by whose interpretation?
I feel I dress modestly, while you may feel that I don't and am therefore adding to those high numbers.

So...once again, we have reached an impasse.
But just for clarification I will restate my position. I do not believe that what Paul is saying to Timothy is a COMMAND FROM God. Nor do I feel conviction from the Holy Spirit to change what jewelry/clothes/makeup I wear. That makes me a Christian woman with different convictions than you.
You feel differently about the interpretation of the text and have made changes in life accordingly. That makes you a Christian woman with different convictions than me.

 

I agree with Dina and the majority of the other women on the board who don't respond to posts like this because they feel uncomfortable.

Diane

 

And I agree with God's Word and will remain in the minority.

 

Do not take offense at this, I am just tired of all the rehashing. When someone does not agree with you, they are not Chrisitan or are in the minority, according to you.

HCL: You really DO come across, in your posts, as being very self-righteous. You seem to feel that you are the only woman who understands what God is "really" saying. I have received pms from you and you are much softer-hearted in them.

I happen to believe in God's Word also...I just do not happen to agree with the way you interpret it.

You are not my God, you are not my Pastor, and you are not my husband.

It is not up to you to tell me what my convictions or preferences should be. I have never told you to start wearing jewelry or braid your hair. Please stop telling me I am less Godly because I do those things.

Blessings,
Sue

 

Sue,
Now which word in my original post made me seem to be self-righteous?

These threads ALWAYS start out as questions from someone.

I will answer about what God has done in my life. How He has blessed me immensley for obeying His Word. That makes Him righteous not myself.

These threads that make many ladies so angry are always about hair, headcoverings, modesty, women not wearing men's clothing, or a woman's role.

Over the course of the year I have been here the EXACT SAME WOMEN have attacked my belief in following these verses literally.

And it always about these same verses. 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Titus 2:3-5, 1 Corinthians 11:1-16. ALWAYS. The same anger the same verses.

Each and every time I defend what I believe that the Word of God is to be followed literally I get more attack on my character by being called names.

Since being here I have been called unsaved, cult member, legalistic, un-intelligent, un-educated, un-wise, much younger than the other person, lidder, Hindu, Amish, self-righteous.

I am sorry that you think I am one of the many names I have been called here. I am sorry that you are so offended by me. But, I will not cease to proclaim the Word of God.

And when I said minority I meant I am in the minority and will probably remain there until Jesus calls me home.

I did not mean that you were in the minority. Your views are definitely in the majority.

 

1 Timothy 2
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I haven't read though this entire thread.

But what about the "in silence" parts of this passage?

It seems to me that to have a consistently literal view of this passage in isolation from the rest of Scripture one must say that women can't even teach children, teach other women, pray out loud (in or out of a Church environment) or post here on the BB.

Also (speaking of one of the women of old)...
Genesis 24:
22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold;


HankD

 

Thank you for pointing that out HankD. I was reading 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 in the Word last night and I am praying about my involvement here.

I see what you are saying.

 

This is the general truth.

I Timothy 2:9-10

9 Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,

10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

The word translated "want" is the same as a direct command. It is "boulomai" and could be translated "I command". It isn't something Paul is simply wishing would happen.

To "adorn" is to put in order or make ready. So already it is a command to make oneself ready or make oneself in order. Let us see what he says how to do that.

A woman is to wear "proper clothing". "Proper" is from the word that means "order". Its antonym is chaos. Clothing is from the word that means the whole demeanor, not just clothing. So the woman is to have orderly attire and a proper demeanor. Women must come to the assembly ready to worship the Lord.

They must not come in slovenly disarray or personal display because of an unbecoming wardrobe or demeanor. There is a place for lovely clothes that reflect the humble grace of a woman, as evidenced in Proverbs 31:22, "Her clothing is fine linen and purple".

The point is that it must be proper.

 

Dear HeadCoveredLady,

Thank you.

Personally I don't isolate this Scripture from the rest of the Word of God and believe that when comparing Scripture with Scripture women should not usurp the authority of the God-ordained men whom He has placed over the flock in a Church environment. Therefore if "teaching" is allowed by the Pastor/Deacons/Elders of a Church or the administrator of an organization born out of a Church environment then it is scriptural assuming the conscience of the individual doing the teaching is not stricken and/or trouble is not spawned within the flock.

Other Scriptures indicate that women can teach other women, children (with words ) and even other men via their witness (howbeit wordless for the most part). Paul also speaks of women "prophecying" in the Church.

As to the exceptions to the rule of silence (OT however) in the Scripture we have Deborah :

Judges 4:
3 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.
4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

and Huldah :

2 Chronicles 34
22 And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they spake to her to that effect.
23 And she answered them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Tell ye the man that sent you to me,
24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:

God apparently does what He wants with whomever He chooses.

HankD

 

This is the specific truth.

He starts with commenting about "braided hair", a term that can generally mean "hair styles". His point is not that women should be indifferent to their hair. That would contradict what he had just said about careful preparation to put oneself in order. Paul's intent is not to forbid certain kinds of hairdos, as if some reflected a more worshipful attitude than others. He is confronting any gaudy, ostentatious hairdo that would distract attention from the Lord and the purposes that are holy. Women in that culture often wove gold, pearls, or other jewelry through their hairdoes to call attention to themselves and their wealth or beauty.

There is NOTHING wrong with owning jewelry. Solomon's bride in Song of Solomon wore gold and silver jewelry (1:10-11, 4:9), as did Rebekah (Gen. 24:53). There is an appropriate time and place for that, as affirmed by the words of Isaiah 61:10: "I will rejoice greatly in the Lord, my sould will exult in my God; for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with a garland, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." But jewelry was (and is) often used as a way of flaunting a woman's wealth or calling attention to herself in an unwholesome way. It is that preoccupation which Paul forbids in the place of worship.

When a woman dresses for the worship service to attact attention to herself, she has violated the purpose of worship (1 Peter 3:3-4).

 

I agree that Scripture interprets Scripture and I know that women can and should teach women and children.

Can you explain what you meant than about not posting at the BB if these verses are taken literally?

 

greetings hankd!

so, in general, can i take anything recorded in the OT, not directly condemned in the text, and treat it as permissible for christians?

 

The original question was Is this a SIN? and the answer is NO. Scripture gives guidelines but does not say 'wearing any jewelry is a sin'. Those who insist it does are adding to God's word.

Diane

 

I agree partialy. I said I do not wear gold, pearls or costly array.

I was asked by Gina if I wear any jewelery. I answered I do not. That is my own preference. I have no need to wear jewelery.

It gets in my way when working in the home and I think that the jewelery itself does not bring glory (attention)to God.