Is it a sin to wear jewelry & braid your hair?

Why does one wear jewellery? Is it wrong to look as attractive as one can to the glory of God, the Creator?

I think Betty has given a godly reason for wearing her ring, and that makes it right. The ancients wore jewellery, and it was never frowned upon.

I remember in one church where the membership got into a battle over white gold and yellow gold..and only white gold was "spiritual"..Well, beloved, I think this is splitting hairs and leads us nowhere.

If you seek to honour God with your attractiveness, then God bless you, and your witness will shine beyond your adornment.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Thank you, Diane and Jim. Our pastor tells the meaning of the wedding ring as part of his wedding ceremony. It is very beautiful. The ring shows the love of the husband, wife, and God.

 

Yes, Betty, the engagement ring, the sign of the man's devotion to the woman. The wedding band, a continuous band of gold signifying the eternal bond between man, woman and God....hence the band of gold.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I have a few ideas why it is so common among Christians.

1) Not everyone who professes to be a Christian has been born again. I am not questioning your salvation but I know that not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom. So, possibly many who are members of churches are not really born again.

2) Those that are born again do not do as the Bereans and study the Scripture on their own. It is easier to follow what someone else does than to look it up ourselves and meditate and ponder and study on our own. Acts 17:4.

3) Those who are born again do not understand or want to be truly seperate. We want to look and be like the world if we can. It makes us not seem so strange if we are like everyone else.

4) Those who are born again may not fear the Lord. I do not mean that He will take away our salvation. But, that we do not seem to believe Psalm 112:1, "Praise ye the Lord, Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord, that delighteth greatly in His commandments."

5) The way Jesus went is the Narrow Way. It is the path that only a few are on. Matthew 10:38, "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." I think human nature does not want the way of the cross. Because it means death to it.

6) Traditions of men prevent us from following Christ fully.

Please know that I am not accusing you of any of the things listed as only God knows your heart. But, these are the things I have been thinking about for a while.

Also, I am not saying I am free from all of these things myself either. Except for number one.

 

Wisdom Seeker asks=

HCL answers=

So those who wear jewlery are not christians.

And HCL would love it if we all did this and followed what she says. Which is what this is alla bout, your sinning if you do anything othr then what HCL says you should be doing. Same old story.

Based on your opinion of what we should be doing, and of course as you just said we shouldn't be doing what others tell us too anyway.

A judgement of the relationship of jewlery wears and God? And how do you know any of this?

Again, those wearing jewlery are not saved.

And if a person wears jewlery they are following the traditions of men and not following Jesus.

 

Diane, do you know where this is? Could you provide a link to it?

 

Betty, I overslept and am rushing out to church but I'll try to remember the heading and see if I can find it this afternoon.

It was while you and Ed were gone I think and also it was about women, silent in church, women pastor's..... Karen might remember. She was involved in the discussion. We were discussing BB.com and mixed S/S classes, witness to men, etc.

Diane

 

I am bumping this up becasue HCL said women who wear jewlery are not chrisitans,and I want some answers on that.(see my previous post). She has no right to make such statements as she has above.

 

weren't you the one that said that, or more accurately, tried to put your words in her mouth?

 

Hi HCL,
I'll try to discuss this with you per each thought.

#1 I think the people that I know who are born again, believe that this is not for the woman of today but was written to the people of that time. And I know you're not questioning my salvation. You are just sharing with me your convictions because I asked you to. You needen't worry about my taking your words that way.

#2 I do study on my own, and so do a lot of the members of my church. In fact this is where I was first encouraged to do this.

#3 My church spends a great deal of time trying to define what "seperate" is. I can spot a woman from my church across a crowded parking lot. But it is not commonly reflected in hair length. Although there are several who do where their hair very very long as a matter of following what they feel convicted about on this subject.

4. I don't think it's a matter so much of fearing the Lord in my experience. But having an alternate understanding of scripture.

5. I don't really want to comment on human nature, as I can only control myself. Yes the way is narrow, but the markers aren't always in black in white and a person may have to read between the lines to gather their own convictions of what way is the way.

6. I think you hit the nail on the head with that remark. I think that we try to fit into the group we are a part of. Not many can stand alone with their convictions when the rest of the people around them laugh and scoff and are mean spirited. I usually am less likely to run with the crowd, but I'm not strong in taking critisism.

Thank you so much for earnestly and respectfully sharing your belief and answering my questions. The fact that you took the time means you care. And that means a lot to me.

Furthermore, my hair grows very slowly. My mother and my sister have very long hair. One of my daughters has very long hair. But my red headed one and I have hair that grows at a excessively slow rate. My daughter is going to be 5, and her hair barely touches the top of her shoulders. Mom says we have bad genes. Even if I wanted to grow it to my ankles to show my faith it wouldn't be realistically possible. My hair has never grown longer than the middle of my back. I don't know why I'm telling you this other than to say that short hair isn't necessarily a sign of a lack of faith or conviction in this matter. Some of us just aren't blessed in that area. I would love to have very long hair, and believe me my husband would be thrilled. But God didn't make me to have it, or my poor daughter. I still think that the word is broided, which means woven with pearls and other things in a showy manner. And we don't do this. And I don't think that wearing jewelry is any worse than dressing in clothing that is meant to draw attention. I've always been conservative in my jewelry. And no one would ever accuse me of being flashy in this or any area.

God bless you and keep you. And thank you again for taking the time to speak to me.

 

WS,
Thank you for the calm way in which you answered me. I really appreciated that. I have been praying ever since I wrote it that you would not be offended, because none of what I said was a personal attack on you. I am glad you saw it as such, thank you so much for that.

 

weren't you the one that said that, or more accurately, tried to put your words in her mouth? </font>[/QUOTE]Timothy, I have done no such thing, please show where.You are accusimg me of somehting I haven't done. Is this how you routinely act?
Have you not read what she herself wrote,

W/S asks...

HCL replys ...

 

I see she makes hit and run statements, and when asked to explain she ignores she ever said it.

 

I've mentioned this before when hair was being discussed and got no answer.... What about our sisters of color who are unable to grow long hair? Does that mean they are not Godly women or women of great faith!

I still believe that our hair is our covering and the length is not the issue. Shaving one's head as the prostitutes did was what was being condemned.

Diane

 

weren't you the one that said that, or more accurately, tried to put your words in her mouth? </font>[/QUOTE]Timothy, I have done no such thing, please show where.You are accusimg me of somehting I haven't done. Is this how you routinely act?
Have you not read what she herself wrote,

W/S asks...

HCL replys ...

</font>[/QUOTE]If you are interested in clarification I will attempt to explain this the best way I can.

Yes, I believe that not everyone who says they are a Christian are born again. We are told in 1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

And, the true Christian is known by this: 1 John 4:7-8, "Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God. He that loveth not is knoweth not God, for God is love."

And this: 1 John 4:20-21, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth his God loveth his brother also"

And this: 1 John 5:3, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous."

And this: 1 John 4:5-6, "They are of the world; therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God, he that knoweth God heareth us, he that is not of God heareth us not. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."

And this: 1 John 3:10, "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil; whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

And this: Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits..."

Most people have not entered through the: Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY THERE BE WHICH GO IN THEREAT, BECAUSE STRAIGHT IS THE GATE, AND NARROW IS THE WAY, WHICH LEADETH UNTO LIFE, AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT."

To explain what I believe about the above verses is that there is a small amount of true born again believers in Jesus Christ. That is what the Word of God teaches.

And yes, a person who is not born again has no concern for the things of God because they have not experienced the New Birth and have not been changed in to a new creation. So, why would they care about what is written in 1 Timothy 2?

I did not say that everyone who wears jewelery is unsaved. Please do not add to my words.

I was asked why I believe the majority of Christians wear jewelery. I believe that not all who say they are Christians have experienced that New Birth.

So that would mean that many who say they are Christians have not actually experienced the New Birth. Then I gave a list of five other reasons I believe why gold and pearls are worn and those reasons were ALL DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO ARE BORN AGAIN.

 

I do not know African American grow their hair. But, I have seen pictures of beautiful African women in headcoverings. Many in Africa wear headcoverings becaus the missionaries came and taught them to wear them.

Here is a picture of a lovely African girl in a headcovering:
http://www.charityministries.org/missions/missions-africa-kenastonfamily.cfm

 

I haven't added anything to your words. You were asked why if it were sin women wore jewlery, adn your first comment was they weren't christians' While I can agree not all who claim to be christians are, I can not agree that the test is if a women wears jewlery or not, it has nothing to do with it.

Do you mean to say you beleive the majority of christians aren't christians? Or only the one wearing jewlery?

So this is what you beleive about born again women who wear jewlery?

How many times I see you quoteing what someone else has to say, from some other book other then the bible.

And you would know a person's heart,and their relationship with God? HBow do you know any of this about a person?

I have to say this confuses me if you are speaking about born again christian women. one not worthy of Him are not christians, we are worhty becasue He Himself makes us worthy, on our own we have no worth.

And again, you would know... becasue????
You are saying christian women who wear jewlery do not follow Christ, but rather men.

I think what you've done is make a lot of false accusations about women you do not even know. You have no idea, and try to say you know the heart when only God can know the heart.
Once again, do what I do and say or your sinning and not a christian.
I think oyu need to do a lot more praying and see if God wants you to be making false accusations against people you do not even know. Namely every woman on this board who wears jewlery. You owe a lot of people an appology for falsely accusing them of not following Christ, but men, if not study their bibles, who do not seek to obey God is what He has revealed for them, and ultimately thier very salvation isn't real enough for you simply becasue they wear jewlery.
And lastly, you did not in your original post seperate your remarks for unsaved and saved women, but rather made one quote to cover all.

I don't have to add anything to your words, they are bad enough all on their own.

 

I haven't added anything to your words. You were asked why if it were sin women wore jewlery, adn your first comment was they weren't christians' While I can agree not all who claim to be christians are, I can not agree that the test is if a women wears jewlery or not, it has nothing to do with it.

Do you mean to say you beleive the majority of christians aren't christians? Or only the one wearing jewlery?

So this is what you beleive about born again women who wear jewlery?

How many times I see you quoteing what someone else has to say, from some other book other then the bible.

And you would know a person's heart,and their relationship with God? HBow do you know any of this about a person?

I have to say this confuses me if you are speaking about born again christian women. one not worthy of Him are not christians, we are worhty becasue He Himself makes us worthy, on our own we have no worth.

And again, you would know... becasue????
You are saying christian women who wear jewlery do not follow Christ, but rather men.

I think what you've done is make a lot of false accusations about women you do not even know. You have no idea, and try to say you know the heart when only God can know the heart.
Once again, do what I do and say or your sinning and not a christian.
I think oyu need to do a lot more praying and see if God wants you to be making false accusations against people you do not even know. Namely every woman on this board who wears jewlery. You owe a lot of people an appology for falsely accusing them of not following Christ, but men, if not study their bibles, who do not seek to obey God is what He has revealed for them, and ultimately thier very salvation isn't real enough for you simply becasue they wear jewlery.
And lastly, you did not in your original post seperate your remarks for unsaved and saved women, but rather made one quote to cover all.

I don't have to add anything to your words, they are bad enough all on their own. </font>[/QUOTE]Never, ever said that wearing jewelry is a test of a someone's salvation.

What I did say was that many who profess to be Christians are not based upon the many verses I typed out for you.

Mainly because they lack fruits, they do not follow His commandments and most importantly:
they do not love.

Jesus also said that the way is narrow. Many who profess to be Christians seem to be on the broad road.

I said, "I am not free from any of those things I listed except number one."

Yes, I do believe that the majority who profess to be Christians have not experienced the New Birth based upon the many verses from God's Word that I listed.

Matthew 10:38 contain the words of Jesus.

Maybe next time someone will ask me a question and you will agree with me. That will make everything I say good, perfect and right, if I agree with Katie Bond...007?

 

If everyone would quit responding this would stop.It takes 2 to argue.
Proverbs 30:33 Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife
I will not respond to the inevitable comment that I know is coming. Just go ahead and bask in your self rightousness. BTW, I've read all 11 pages.

 

No problem with that, but you are applying that to christian women who wear jewlery.

How do oyu know? How do you know they do not bear fruit? How do you know they do not love?
Are you once again saying chrisitian women who wear jewlery do not bear fruit, do not love? Once again, how do you know?
You have no way of knowing since you do not now any of us.

Since you are talking about christian women, then are you applying this to us? Meaning if we wear jewlery we are not christians.

Never said you had to agree with me, but you have no right to judge our christianity based on anything, especially if we wear jewlery. You do not even know me, but continuelly wehn we are in the same conversation you tell me women like me aren't christians, and as I have already said you owe all of us an appology for the false accusations you ahve leveled against us, for judging our christianity and for judgeing our relationships with God, now judgeing if we bear fruit for which you can not even see becasue you do not know us. Your only goal seems to be to offend the rest of us.
You keep making excuses for what you originally said, even your excusses don't make sense in light of what you wrote.