King Jesus?

Col. 1:13 (ESV)
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

Col. 4:11 (ESV)
and Jesus who is called Justus. These are the only men of the circumcision among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have been a comfort to me.

The apostle Paul certainly referred to the kingdom as a present reality.

Jesus rules in the hearts of His people - right now.

 

Jesus said "the kingdom of God is within you." He reigns right now, in the here and now in my heart and as far as I'm concerned. The lost world may not realize it, but one day "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord."

Enjoying His reign NOW!
Looking forward to it THEN!

Phil310

 

Paul talked about the world getting worse and worse, he did not teach that Christ was the current literal ruler over the earth. I agree with Dr. Bob, the King is Coming, in the future to place all kingdoms under his throne. He may reign in the hearts of the Church, yes, but his literal physical monarchy will not begin until his return to earth following the Tribulation.

I would agree that he is my King, I would not equate that with the millenial reign, which I believe will be a literal reality

 

Isn't there a problem with this idea of a physical kingdom? Isn't that the same idea that the Jews of Jesus days on earth had and led in large part to their rejection of Him.

Also, how do you physical kingdom people get around:

John 18:36 (ESV)
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world."

Aren't you physical kingdom people attempting to negate what Jesus said?

 

Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Always was, always will be.

Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

 

Ken, the key is the "Title Deed to the Earth."

Christ opens the seals in Revelation - a future event.

Right now, Satan has dominion over the earth. But when Jesus Christ comes back to rule & reign with a Rod Of Iron, it will be after the seals are broken on the Title Deed to the Earth.

 

And a whole bunch of we Baptists disagree with you.

I see you didn't deal with my question as to why you and other physical kingdom people apparently are trying to negate the plain words of Jesus that His kingdom is not of this world. Instead you retreated to debatable symbolic language that Baptists do not agree on the meaning of.

 

And a whole bunch of we Baptists disagree with you.</font>[/QUOTE]Disagree all you want to, but you are still wrong...as you will find out the moment the trumpet sounds and Jesus appears in the clouds.

Oh, I thought the thread was about this:

Do we at least agree that Jesus Christ is now reigning as King?


The Kingdom of Jesus Christ is not of this world or in this world at the present time. But it is in the hearts of men (and women).

Matthew 4:[8] Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
[9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

[10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Ephesians 6:[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Doesn't your SBC church teach anything about Bible prophecy? Or do you just disagree with them disagreeably, too?

[ December 24, 2003, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

1) Ditto back to you as you will find out that your dispensational premillennialism is oh so wrong when the Day of the Lord arrives. Mark that I only said dispensational premillennialism. I consider historical premillennialism to have a Biblical basis and it may be true. Then again, maybe postmillennialism is true, or maybe amillennialism is true, or maybe all of them are off base. The only eschatology I have totally ruled out is dispensational premillennialism. I have at least some confidence in the pre-1830s eschatologies.

2) I disagree but I don't do so publicly. Debating on a bulletin board is one thing, debating eschatology in person is not something I wish to do. I dislike personal confrontation as I write better than I talk. I have found that in person debates become much, much too heated on any controversial subject. In person, I tend to avoid confrontation.

 

By the way, LadyEagle,

Merry CHRISTmas to you and yours!

 

Ditto back to you....

 

Dr. Bob Griffin said:

But if He is King ruling over the earth today (rod of iron, putting all his enemies under his feet, et al, as Psalm 2 & Rev clearly state) then He is a miserable failure as King.

Psalm 50 says the entire world and all its fullness belongs to God. I didn't see anywhere that he ceded ownership to someone else.

 

Dr. Bob Griffin:

But is Jesus the "king" - absolute ruler and every knee in submission to Him, rod of iron, etc?

Ludicrous.

There are diehard Al Gore supporters who say Bush is "not my president" because he supposedly "stole" the election in 2000. Does their existence mean that the Bush 43 presidency is illegitimate?

Ludicrous.

The refusal of Christ's subjects to submit to Christ's rule does not nullify his kingship.

 

Excellent point.

 

Oh, this discussion is just silly.