The Angel With The Everlasting Gospel!

There is an entire denomination built around that one.

Bob

 

I thought about Mormons too, but I wouldn't call them a denomination. Perhaps a demon-ation.

 

The 3 angels of Rev 14 are three distinct time-sensitive messages given at (near) the end of time.

The first Angel proclaims the Gospel - and highlights THAT PART of the Gospel that deals with Judgment. He points out that the exact hour of judgment has finally arrived. (while both good and evil people are still on earth as we see from the text).

Paul mentions this time as being future to his day ( in Romans 2) and ALSO declares that it is part of his gospel message.

The first angels message is not only focused on annoucning the fact that the judgment hour has come (part of his Gospel message), it ALSO emphasizes worship to the creator. Worship that focuses "specifically" on God's role as creator usinig the unique language of the 4th commandment (which defines a memorial of God's creative act).

The message of the 2nd Angel indicates a subsequent event - "the response" of Babylon to the message of the first Angel.

These messages are to the end of the world what Noah's message was to the people of his day. 2Peter 3 points out the two destructions share parrallel attributes as does Christ in Matt 24.

In Christ,

Bob

 

I would be very surprised to find out that the Mormons based anything central to their doctrines on Rev 14. What did you find out?

In Christ,

Bob

 

It was a reference to the angel that Mormons build their beliefs around.

 

The angel Moroni is the one that the Mormons build their faith around. The THREE angels of Rev 14 are not "Moroni" - at least I have never seen a case made for that in the Mormon literature they handed out in my neighborhood.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The Judgment scene predicted by Paul in Romans 2 and by the first of the 3 Angels in Rev 14:7 is described vividly in Daniel 7:8-10

God seems to put a lot of weight on that end-of-time event prior to the fall of Babylon - while both saint and sinner are still on the earth.

The entire Judgment concept is a very "Arminian" theme when you see the "corporate" nature of the judgment as God describes it in Daniel 7:8-10.

God is infinite in knowledge as well as power and He already knows all things - no books needed, no court needed, no time needed, no judgment needed.

Yet the details God gives show a model of a "free will" system where His decisions are SHOWN to be just and merciful before Myriads and Myriads of watchers. His decisions are seen to be consistent with the Laws He sovereignly establishes for the Universe. (Kinda reminds you of Job 1 and 2).

The pronouncement of the Angel in Rev 19 stating that God's judgment are "Holy Just and true" is consistent with that theme - just as we saw it in Romans 3:1-4.

As Daniel 7 says when the Father comes into the court room where the myriads and myriads are waiting - "The court sat and the books were opened". Then later in the chapter we find that "Judgment was passed IN FAVOR of the saints" Daniel 7:21-22.

So when Paul predicts this as a "future event" Romans 2:13-15 and John shows the event to occur in the time line of Rev 14:7-10 prior to the return of Christ, while both good and evil on the earth - we see that there is some kind of master plan that God is implementing and things are going according to His timeline not ours.

In Christ,

Bob

[ April 27, 2003, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]

 

But the mormons have elders, I met two of them, and one of them experienced salvation because of the witness of the Holy Spirit he obviously was of the elect and by God's Will made his way to my home, praise God for His Ways which are past finding out.

As far as the topic of the thread, I am not studied enough on this topic to present anything; but I believe, off-hand this to be speaking toward the House of Israel Like the old puritan who increased the interest in his scribblings during a debate more than his or his opponents answers, I must cry "More Light Lord, More Light"

Bro.Dallas

 

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," (Rev. 14:6)

This is an allusion to what Jesus told His diciples.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matt. 24:14)

Jesus told His disciples that the Gospel would be preached in all the world (Gr. oikoumene) before the end of the age (Matt. 28:20). The age was to come to an end at the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Scriptures confirm that the Gospel was preached in accordance with the words of our Lord (Col. 1:6, 23).

 

The Christian Gospel started with Jesus on the Cross when the 'vail was torn in two' and will end with the rapture of the church into Heaven. [Matt. 11:5; Mark 13:10; Luke 4:18; Acts 8:25; Romans 1:15; I Cor. 1:17]

When we read Revelation 14:6 John speaks of the ' . . . angel flying in the midst of Heaven, preaching the everlasting Gospel to those on the earth . . . {to all peoples}. The idea of an 'everlasting Gospel' most strongly points to an era of change in God's Divine program for people. The church has gone to Heaven and the Great Tribulation is in progress. God opens the Seals, the Vials are poured out, the various Trumpets are sounded, pointing to God's judgments that are yet to be meted out to those sinners who will have been left behind in the world. While the church is being evaluated, judged as to rewards in Heaven for seven years, the world system will be judged for seven unthinkable years before the Second Coming of Christ when He comes back with His church to set up His thousand year Theocracy on this earth. [Rev. 20:2 e; 20:3 e; 20:4 j; 20:6 d; 20:7a] Note the five references to His designated reign called the Millinimum.

Revelation 14:7 expressly tells us that the sinner's judgment is coming. This judgment that many suggest takes place on the Last Day, is what the Bible speaks of as the Great White Throne Judgment for all lost souls. [Rev. 20:11] This judgment by Almighty God is distinct from the Judgment Seat of Christ mentioned in II Cor. 5:10 where we will be judged for worshipful, service accomplished in Christ's Name and through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

Just before 'the hour of His judgment is come' [Rev. 14:7] God sovereignly dispatches the angel with the 'everlasting Gospel' [vs. 6] who will preach so all sinners will have their last opportunity to believe and trust in Christ for their "everlasting salvation." This angel will be dispatched during the Great Tribulation era of time. [Matt. 24:21] Notice God does not merely say 'tribulation' but uses the expressive word 'great' (megas -Greek- meaning 'exceedingly great or mighty' {Tribulation}.

In Revelation 14:8 'another angel' announces that 'Babylon is fallen.' Many commentatrors believe "Babylon" speaks of the quasi-spiritual Rome/Vatican. Why? Because spiritual fornication has been committed down through the centuries.

' . . . the third angel' described in verse nine warns sinners not to worship any one but Almighty God. Any remaining sinners who worship the 'antichrist' are assured of being sent to Hell, forever. Notice verses 9-11. Notice also that the angel speaks and or preaches to the inhabitants of the whole world. [vs. 6 & 9]

Christ started the Gospel of the Kingdom while He was on earth [ Matt. 4:23; 9:35] but it was interupted when the Romans and Jews crucified Him. This 'Gospel of the Kingdom' will be reintroduced [Matt. 24:14] and continued during the 1,000 year reign of Christ from Jerusalem [Zechariah 14:9 & 17]

The Beatitudes of Matthew 5:3-11 will become the Magna Carta for the Kingdom Age, meaning the 1,000 year theocracy, the Millinimum on earth. We will still be living under His grace and will still be saved by His blood atonement during this dispensation before the final eternity with God in the New Heaven. [Rev. 21:1] From Genesis until eternity, salvation will always have been through His grace alone and received by the conduit of the free will and the human response of faith in Jesus, aided by the Holy Spirit. [Romans 5:1; Galatians 3:26]

 

Agreed. However someone posted on this thread that they thought first Angel of the 3 Angels in Rev 14 had something to do with Mormons. I simply noted that as far as I know - there is absolutely no connection between Mormons and the 3 Angels of Rev 14.

In Christ,

Bob

 

In fact the Judgment of Rev 14's Gospel message is in fact the 2Cor 5:10 judgment and is not the Great White throne judgment of Rev 20. This can be seen from a number of facts.

The Rev 20 judgment occurs after the beast is set up, and the image to the beast and the number of his name. It occurs after the saints that were killed for not worshipping the beast have been raised. It occurs after the 1000 years when the fate of all is already decided.

In Rev 14 - the "everlasting Gospel" is in fact the "One Gospel" of Gal 1:6-11 - there has only been one in all of time according to Paul.

That message about the everlasting Gospel that focuses on Gospel judgment and the Gospel command to worship God as creator - using the unique language of the 4th commandment - is the message of the first angel. It is preached to every nation on earth - a great evangelistic push. Not consistent with events at the close of the 1000 years in Rev 20.

The second Angel shows the response of Babylon to that message - Babylon falls at that point. Whereas Rev 20 closes with events long after the fall of Babylon. Namely the great white throne judgment.

The third angel calls God's People - to come out of Babylon and be not partakers of the 7 last plagues. This is clearly identifying events before the great white throne judgment of Rev 20 AND before the millenium - and before the coming of Christ pictured in Rev 19 and before the 7 last plagues of Rev 15.

It is a final hour last call to humanity to prepare for the end. Just as Noah gave for 120 years in his day.

In Christ,

Bob

[ April 28, 2003, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]

 

Bob Ryan,

With due respect I don't think you know the difference between the separate judgments of II Corinthians 5:10 and Revelation 20:11. Some believe only in one final judgment for both the lost and the saved; this is a big error.

You said, 'In fact the Judgment of Rev 14's Gospel message is in fact the 2Cor 5:10 judgment and is not the Great White throne judgment of Rev 20.'

Revelation 14:1-7 deals with 144,000 witnesses to the Gospel during the Great Tribulation and verses 8-11 deals with sinners who take the 'mark of the Beast.' Verses 12-13 speak of the Great Tribulation saints who die in the Lord. Verses 14-20 deals with the the lost who will be pressed in the winepress because they are without faith in Jesus. This last cluster of verses does not deal with either Judgments but rather with God's anger against the rebellious lost souls during this future time.

 

Revelation 14:20 suggests that God's anger will be vented 'without the city' meaning outside of Jerusalem. The slaughter of God's judgment will have blood splashed up to the 'horses' bridles . . . ' Dr. A.T. Robertson, the Greek scholar, suggests that the event will be in Palestine in the Valley of Jehoshaphat. [Joel 2:12] I agree with Dr. Robertson.

 

I am glad to see you and Dr Robertson in such agreement.

However the details of Rev 14:7-9 remain as I pointed them out. Babylon falls long before the millenium and the great white thrown event of Rev 20 AND also before the 7 last plagues.

Also the evangelism described in Rev 14:7-8 is not consistent with events at the end of the millenium.

You are not dealing with those details in your response. Since the focus is on the 3 angels message - there is no escaping our looling into the details of those 3 messages. Yet your response entirely avoids it when looking for the timing - the sequence of the messages. The events of Rev 14:7-9 form a preface detailing the warning of vs 9-20.

But the events of the 3 angels messages that end in the "warning" of vs 9-20 come BEFORE the warning event predicted - not after.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob Ryan,

I'm guessing that you might be Post-Millennial in your views. I am rather sure that you know that not all of Scripture in Revelation is in chronological order.

It is difficult for me to follow your views since they are foreign to Premillennial interpretation.

Notice in I Thess. 4:16 Jesus does not have a crown on His head at the rapture, but in Revelation 14:14 He does have on the crown because we will have at the meeting in Heaven, crowned Him King of kings, and Lord of all lords. At this Second Coming also noted and confirmed in Revelation 19:15 & 16 we see that He 'treads the winepress' {as in Revelation 14:19-20} and also 'on His vesture and on His thigh is written, King of kings and Lord of lords.'

 

#1. I am premillenial.

#2. In Rev 20 John shows us that in the future their are exactly two resurrections. As he points out in John 5 using the Words of Christ (a resurrection of the just and a resurrection of the unjust). In Rev 20 he says that the first resurrection is the one over which the 2nd death has no power.

In 1Thess 4 we see "the dead in Christ" are raised. (No mention is made that "Christ does not have a crown" in 1Thess 4 BTW). This is in fact the FIRST resurrection as we see it again in Rev 20. It is the one upon which the church is entirely focused (as we see in 1Cor 15).

#3. In Rev 14:7 we see World Wide Gospel Evangelism to EVERY nation tribe tounge and people - and it specifically focuses on the Gospel subject of the judgment declaring that the hour HAS already come.

This world wide Gospel evangelism calls all mankind to "worship" God as creator - using the unique language of God's own Words in Exodus 20:8-11.

World Wide Gospel evangelism is NOT the subject of Rev 20. Nor of the great white throne judgment in Rev 20.

Rev 20:4 declares that the beast has already established his mark, and worship and persecution - but in Rev 14:8 we find that Babylon falls - in Rev 14:7 it has yet to fall.

#4. Although it is clear that not all of Rev is "in sequence" we DO have the following --


Rev 19 - the return of Christ.
Rev 20 - the Resurrection of the saints.
Rev 20 - the Millenium
Rev 20 - the Great White Throne Judgment
Rev 21 - the New Earth - The new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven.
Rev 22 - More description of the new Earth

The Sequence is clear.

In Christ,

Bob