Archaic Words In The KJV

OOPS , I forgot ...

... to include 3 verses .

62:3 How long will ye imagine mischief against a man ?

How long will you assault me ?

62:10 become not vain in robbery

or put vain hope in stolen goods

64:4 They may shoot in secret at the perfect

They shoot from ambush at the innocent

Psalm 92-146

92:6 A brutish man

Senseless people

92:10 unicorn

wild ox

97:7 Confounded be all

are put to shame

99:8 their inventions

their misdeeds

101:4 A froward heart shall depart from me

The perverse of heart shall be far from me

107:12 he brought down their heart with labour

he subjected them to bitter labor

107:39 they are minished

their numbers decreased

119:148 Mine eyes prevent the night watches

My eyes stay open through the watches of the night

124:5 proud waters

the raging waters

135:7 the vapours

the clouds

138:6 the proud he knoweth afar off

he takes notice of the proud from afar

144:7 from the hand of strange children

from the hands of foreigners

146:3 in the son of man

in human beings

Re: Archaic language

Rippon, thanks for the tremendous job you have done in showing that the KJV is absolutely full of archaic language. You have documented your point over and over and over again. It is quite apparent the language of the KJV is in serious need of updating, and some of the so-called Modern Versions do that quite well,

May I join Keith in taking my hat off to you, Rippon?

I think the solution to anyone not understanding the KJV, and wanting to use it, is to obtain a KJV that has the archaic words defined in the centre-column or on the side columns. Nelson Bibles do this(even though Nelson Bibles are pure junk), some Holman editions do that, and some World Bibles(now owned by Thomas Nelson---:tear: ) as well as the KJ Scofield 3. a few more editions here and there do this a s well.

Or.............use the NKJV.:smilewinkgrin:

Thanks for the encouraging words Keith and robycop .

As for the NKJ --- it is a big step forward in terms of clarification -- but it still uses antiquated language and awkward wordings much of the time .

The major revisions of the KJV by Paris and even moreso by Blayney did not reflect the language of the 18th century . James Hervey ( 1713-1758 ) was said to use an English style of the preceding century . But when I read his works I do not sense the distance . Blayney's 1769 revision reflected a much older manner . William Romaine's ( 1714-1795 )writings also were thought to be in a much older form -- but his English is much more understandable to me than the 1769 KJV . John Gill ( 1697-1771 ) used terribly long sentences a great deal , but reading him is much less difficult than reading the KJV .

The ESV uses King James-speak . It deliberately goes retro . It is now the 21st century and people do not speak the way that the ESV communicates . But I find the ESV marginally better than the NASU .

Proverbs 1-10

1:32 the prosperity of fools shall destroy them

the complacency of fools will destroy them

2:17 the guide of her youth

the partner of her youth

3:35 shame shall be the promotion of fools

fools get only shame

5:6 her ways are moveable

her paths wander aimlessly

5:14 I was almost in all evil

I was soon in serious trouble

6:26 the precious life

your very life

7:18 let us solace ourslves with loves

let's enjoy ourselves with love !

7:19 the goodman

My husband

7:21 she forced him

she seduced him

9:7 getteth himself a blot

the name of the wicked will rot

10:1 the heaviness of his mother

bring grief to their mother

10:4 that dealeth with a slack hand

Lazy hands

10:10 a prating fool shall fall

a chattering fool comes to ruin

Proverbs 11- 14

11:6 transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness

the unfaithful are trapped by evil desires

11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat

A generous person will prosper

12:11 but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding

but those who chase fantasies have no sense

12:16 a prudent man covereth shame

the prudent overlook an insult

12:20 but to the counsellers of peace is joy

but those who promote peace have joy

12:24 but the slothful shall be under tribute

but laziness ends in forced labor

13:7 there is that maketh himself poor

another pretends to be poor

13:8 the poor heareth not rebuke

the poor cannot respond to threatening rebukes

13:23 but there is that is destroyed for want of judgment

but injustice sweeps it away

13:24 chasteneth him betimes

are careful to discipline them

14:10 a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy

no one else can share its joy

14:14 a good man shall be satisfied from himself

the good rewarded for theirs

14:15 the prudent man looketh well to his going

the prudent give thought to their steps

14:23 the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury

mere talk leads only toward poverty

14:30 a sound heart

A heart at peace

Proverbs 15-19

15:4 perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit

a perverse tongue crushes the spirit

15:24 The way of life is above to the wise

The path of life leads upward for the prudent

15:27 he that hateth gifts shall live

those who hate bribes will live

15:30 a good report maketh the bones fat

good news gives health to the bones

16:10 his mouth transgresseth not in judgment

his mouth does not betray justice

16:26 He that laboureth for himself ; for his mouth craveth it of him .

The appetite of laborers works for them ; their hunger drives them on .

16:30 He shutteth his eyes

Those who wink with their eyes

17:1 an house full of sacrifices

a house full of feasting

17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love

Whoever would foster love covers over an offense

17:26 nor to strike princes for equity

surely to flog officials is not right

18:1 Through desire a man , having separated himself , seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom .

An unfriendly person pursues selfish ends and agains all sound judgment starts quarrels .

18:2 his heart may discover itself

delight in airing their own opinions

18:5 accept the person of the wicked

good to be partial to the wicked

18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just ; but his neighbor cometh and searcheth him .

In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right , until someone comes forward and cross-examines .

18:18 parteth between the mighty

keeps strong opponents apart

19:13 the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping

a quarrelsome wife is like the constant dripping of a leaky roof .

19:26 He that wasteth his father

Whoever robs their father

Proverbs 20-22

20:14 It is naught , it is naught .

It's no good , it's no good !

20:17 Bread of deceit is sweet to a man .

Food gained by fraud tastes sweet

20:25 It is a snare to the man who devoureth that which is holy , and after vows to make inquiry .

It is a trap to dedicate something rashly and only later to consider one's vows .

20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord , searching all the inward parts of the belly .

The human spirit is the lamp of the Lord that sheds light on one's inmost being .

21:5 The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness ; but of every one that is hasty only to want .

The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty .

21:7 they refuse to do judgment .

they refuse to do what is right .

21:14 and a reward in the bosom strong wrath .

and a bribe concealed in the cloak pacifies great wrath .

21:24 who dealeth in proud wrath .

they behave with insolent fury .

21:28 the man that heareth speaketh constantly .

a careful listener will testify successfully .

21:29 A wicked man hardeneth his face

The wicked put up a bold front

22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye

The generous

22:18 and they shall withal be fitted in thy lips

and have all of them ready on your lips

22:29 he shall not stand before mean men .

they will not serve before officials of low rank .

Proverbs 23-27

23:16 my reins shall rejoice

my inmost being will rejoice

23:20 riotous eaters of flesh

gorge themselves on meat

24:11 If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death

Rescue those being led away to death

24:16 the wicked shall fall into mischief

the wicked stumble when calamity strikes

24:21 meddle not with them that are given to change

do not join with rebellious officials

24:34 and thy want as an armed man

and scarcity like an armed man

25:8 Go forth hastily to strive

do not bring hastily to court

25:10 thine infamy turn not away

may shame you

25:18 a maul

club

26:2 so the curse causeless shall not come

an undeserved curse does not come to rest

26:5 lest he be wise in his own conceit

or they will be wise in their own eyes

26:6 drinketh damage

drinking poison

26:19 Am not I in sport ?

I was only joking !

27:22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool

you will not remove their folly from them .

Proverbs 28-31

28:5 understand not judgment

do not understand what is right

28:11 the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out

one who is poor and discerning sees

28:17 let no man stay him

let no one hold them back

28:20 shall not be innocent

will not go unpunished

28:25 shall be made fat

will prosper

29:10 but the just seek his soul

seek to kill

29:18 Where there is no vision

Where there is no revelation

29:21 He that delicately bringeth up his servant

A servant pampered from youth

29:24 bewrayeth it not

dare not testify

30:11 There is a generation

There are those

30:26 are but a feeble folk

of little power

30:29 comely in going

stately in their stride

30:33 the forcing of wrath

stirring up anger

31:11 he shall have no need of spoil

lacks nothing of value

31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength

She sets about her work vigorously

31:26 in her tongue is the law of kindness

faithful instruction is on her tongue

Ecclesiastes

1:8 All things are full of labour

All things are wearisome

1:13 God hath given to the sons of man to be excercised therewith

God has laid on the human race !

4:5 eateth his own flesh

ruin themselves

4:8 there is not a second

(nothing )

5:1 Keep thy foot

Guard your steps

5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business

A dream comes when there are many cares

5:6 thy flesh to sin

lead you into sin

5:20 answereth him in the joy of his heart

God keeps them occupied with gladness of heart

6:2 an evil disease

a grievous evil

7:3 the heart is made better

is good for the heart

7:7 destroyeth the heart

corrupts the heart

7:14 to the end that man should find nothing after him

you cannot discover anything about your future

7:18 shall come forth of them all

will avoid all extremes

7:27 counting one by one , to find out the account

Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things

8:1 the boldness of his face shall be changed

changes its hard appearance

8:6 to every purpose there is time and judgment

there is a proper time and procedure for every matter

10:10 wisdom is profitable to direct

skill will bring success

10:11 a babbler is no better

the charmer receives no fee

12:5 man goeth to his long home

people go to their eternal home

Rippon, I don't think we need to see any more examples. You have made your point over and over and over and over again...

Thank you Brother Rippon.
Please continue this topic. I see you are just now to
the book of Ecclesiastes . There is much more to
document. Again, Thank you, Brother Rippon,
for the effort.

Is The Horse Dead Yet ?

Aw Keith , I'm just warming up ! Thanks for the go-ahead Ed .

Well, at least the ignore list works...

Have at it, Rippon!

And here I go plowing through

Song Of Songs

1:7 for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions ?

Why should I be like a veiled woman beside the flocks of your friends ?

2:2 my love among the daughters

my darling among the young women

2:5 for I am sick of love

for I am faint with love

2:12 [ classic ! ] the voice of the turtle is heard

the cooing of doves is heard

3:8 of fear in the night

the terrors of the night

3:11 in the day of his espousals

on the day of his wedding

4:7 there is no spot in thee

there is no flaw in you

4:9 Thou hast ravished my heart

You have stolen my heart

4:12 A garden enclosed is my sister

You are a garden locked up , my sister

5:2 my undefiled

my flawless one

5:3 I have washed my feet : how shall I defile them ?

I have washed my feet -- must I soil them again ?

5:4 my bowels were moved for him

my heart began to pound for him

5:6 my soul failed when he spoke

My heart sank at his departure

5:9 what is thy beloved more than another beloved , that thou so charge us ?

How is your beloved better than others , that you so charge us ?

6:4 terrible as an army

as majestic as troops

6:9 is but one

is unique

6:10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning

Who is this that appears like the dawn

6:12 Or ever I was aware , my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib .

Before I realized it , my desire set me among the royal chariots of my people .

7:9 causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak

flowing gently over lips and teeth

8:5 I raised thee up under the apple tree

Under the apple tree I roused you

8:7 it would be utterly contemned

it would be utterly scorned

8:13 cause me to hear it

let me hear your voice !

Rippon,

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I hope you save this on your computer and can make PDFs for everyone when your done. This can be used of God to show the misleading teachings of the KJVO folks.

Thanks again for taking the time, I have used this once already.



In Christ...James

Thanks James . I realize that some phrases are not as vague as others . But at times entire verses are quite obscure in the KJV . As I am going along I do appreciate the KJV . But for the last 200 years it has been largely too cumbersome to use if one wants to effectively study the Word of God . I have a number of verses memorized since childhood . But William Tyndale deserves most of the credit , not the KJV revisers . W.T. did the majority of what we have in the New Testament in the KJV . The Geneva , Bishops , and other versions all added their share to the mix as well as the KJV revisers themelves . We don't drive model-T's anymore . Without changing the intent of the original meaning we need to put the Bible into the current language of the audience .

The NIV has been the most popular English version for decades now . Other versions are contributing to the effort of making the Bible even more accurate and understandable . May God continue to bless the struggles of everyone doing translation work in any language .