Jack Hyles & Hyles Anderson College

Kathy try Jack Hyles Homepage. For the record though, I do not support many of his views.

 

In reading Dr. Bob's post I realized that what he was talking about is what I always thought Baptists were all about. That is before I became a Baptist. I realize what a blessing my church really is to me. It is an IFB chuch, but most of the legalistic stuff is missing.

When it comes to dress codes, playing cards, mixed swimming, etc. it is left to the individual to work out between himself and God. That is not to say the the Pastor and the chruch do not have ideas of what they think is right, but they do not try to force anyone to do anything. As example of what I mean: My wife used to wear pants and jeans, while most of the ladies did not. No one told her to stop, no one told her she was not welcome at church. She did become a sunday school teacher, and she decided at that time she would stop wearing pants. In the end she found she like this mode of dress better, but it was not forced upon her.

It is my opinion that this is the way the legalistic things should be handled. Leave it to the person to discuss with God. Set the example you want and other will follow.

 

Aw Gee Shucks Kathy, Iv never been accused of being eloquent before.

 

I get REAL tired of people throwing the word "leagalist" without even knowing what the word means. If you are going to acuse someone of being leagalist, look up the word.
Legalist means to add to salvation to get to heaven, such as grace through faith plus works, or grace through faith plus baptisim. This is leaglism, the Mormons are leagalist, the Seventh Day Adventist are leagalist.
Dr. Jack Hyles was not, nor was he ever, a legalist. This is the common accusation of Christians that don't like his preaching on sin. God does not want us to get saved and do whatever we feel is right, he gave us Preachers to tell us the way God wanted us to live. Dr. Hyles never made anyone feel like less of a christian for not wearing skirts, listening to CCM, going to the movies, etc. He just told us what God expected us to do, yes he did it with a loud voice, but it got the point across.
God gave the Isrealites Moses to tell them the law and how the should live. Jesus was our example on how to act, and he got mad at sin (in the temple).
There is nothing wrong with following men of God. Paul said "follow me as I follow Jesus."
Thats all Dr. Hyles was saying, follow him as he followed Jesus.
In the Old Testament, 250 Jews called Moses and Aaron legalist. Remember what happened to them, the ground opened up and swallowed them, their families, tents, animals and everything they owned into hell, alive.
Careful how you bash the man of God.REAL
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[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: DSM ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DSM: Dr. Jack Hyles was not, nor was he ever, a legalist. This is the common accusation of Christians that don't like his preaching on sin.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

An interesting hypothesis DMS, could you elaborate (but without the frills), and please do list chapters and verses.

 

Verses to seperate from the world (movies, tv, music, friends, smoking, drugs, drinking, anything at all to do with the world and not God)

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

verses for dress

Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
Isa 47:2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
Isa 47:3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Now, I don't know what verse you want to prove Dr. Hyles was not a legalist LOOK UP THE WORD!!!!!!!!! He did not believe you had to do anything else to be saved but believe by faith, thats it, nothing else. Have you even heard Dr. Hyles preach, or are you taking your opinion from liberal Baptists that claim to be IFB when they are closer to SB. Listen to him preach and decide for yourself, unless you like your sin and don't want to hear a man of God preach against it.

[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: DSM ]

 

I would just like to add here that there are many people who hold standards of dress who are not legalists. I have been called on more than one occasion a legalist and a Pharisee because of my beliefs about women's clothing. However, whoever does that is spreading false witness against me because I do not believe that my clothing makes me acceptable in God's eyes. I am not saved because of what I wear, and I am not holy because of what I wear, but I wear what I do because I am saved and God made me holy. My outside, as much as possible, should reflect what is inside.

The Pharisees and legalists in the Bible were busy busy busy cleaning up the outside while inside there was still filth. That is not who I am, nor what I am about.

It really doesn't bother me if someone disagrees with me on this, but what does bother me so much is being labeled as something (or someone) I am not.

 

For your information DSM, I am a member in good standing of an IFB church and am familiar with the Bible passages you quoted above. These are standard Bible references, and at times are misquoted, but in general they point the way toward the right direction. Thanks.

The brash defense you offered all of a sudden on behalf of the late Dr. Hyles, incidentally, was unnecessary for the following reasons. Dr. Hyles doesn’t mind it (not that he ever did during his lifetime), you cannot change people’s perception, and that leaves you one more reason: your personal belief system in the man was hurt. Now, if you have an opposing view of people on this board you are welcome to state it. But state it without throwing punches, for that is the Bible way - "... speaking the truth in love…" (Ephesians 4:15). Your brother in Christ, BJH

 

Amen to that KeeperOfMyHome!

 

Bro. Halo
You are correct. I shouldn't have been so harsh, I apologize. I tend to get angry when Baptist Brethern attack a leader who's teaching I follow. I have been called a legalist many times and the term is 99% used out of context. I am just tired of seeing brothers attack each other because they disagree on some unimportant belief. Yes, my wife wears skirts and I never wear shorts. Yes I only use the KJB, go soulwinning, run a bus, teach a Sunday School class, lead the youth, do not own a TV, and try to stay as close to God as I can. I do not believe, however, if my wife were to start wearing pants, both of us started smoking, drinking, cheating and completely stopped serving God that we would go to Hell. I don't think I'm a better Christian than someone who doesn't hold the same standards I do and I will never preach against them if they are my Baptist brother. Why bash a brother or sister in the faith because they have different standards than you. Too many of us do it. I do not agree with many Baptist preachers, I think they are too liberal in their practices. But I will not name names. Maybe they are out of the will of God, but they are still God's anointed. We are all fighting the same fight, to keep sinners out of Hell. If we kill each other, the Devil will surly win. If someone asks where they can learn about another brother's teachings, tell them where to go and let them decide for themselves. We need to stop picking at each others convictions and agree though they may be different, we are still brothers and sisters in Christ. Again, I apoligize for my tone and pray you will forgive me.

Because of Calvary, Bro. Shaun

 

No need to apologize Bro. Shaun. Sometimes we blow off some steam. But remember this, a pot full of water left on the stove would be useless unless it first comes to a boiling point. Only when we see the steam rising can we use the water for coffee or tee - don't you agree?

The Bible teaches us that we may be "angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil." (Eph.4:26-27). You are on the right track. Don't let anybody dissuade you of your convictions - but remember, our admiration, praise, devotion, and loyalty should always be given to the Lord and not to mere man.

Incidentally, you are pretty new here (only posted 7 so far), and don't remember meeting you at the New Members forum. So, a belated welcome to the BaptistBoard! A small point of advise: when you answer a post, always try to separate the subject in question from the person! It works!

 

Actually Bro. Shaun I don't find the word "legalist" in either my American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language , or in my Smiths Bible Dictionary. When I used the term legalistic I really ment legalities, Or actually my own corrupt definanition of that word. I acctually was talking about rules being imposed on people by people rather than people obeying God's Laws.