Four Profs Leaving SWBTS

That last link to the Star article was very interesting. I sure recognize some of the names associated with this new venture. It was enlightening to see that Russell Dilday has been named as the unpaid Chancellor of the new school.

I hope that Rev. Jim Denison was talking about technical issues regarding distance education when he said:

I hope he was not indicating that the school would be teaching Neo(new)-Orthodox Theology. I hope that the new school does not plan to model its doctrinal stance on that of the Richmond Theological Seminary (started by professors who left SEBTS in the early 90s when Dr. Patterson first came here).

I don't know much (nothing really) about these four professor's theology. Can any of you Texans tell us if they consider themselves to be biblical inerrantists?

 

I hope he was not indicating that the school would be teaching Neo(new)-Orthodox Theology.</font>[/QUOTE]He's talking about teaching/training methods. They want to make a seminary education more useful and relevant for those who are planning to serve churches.

Whether one believes that would be a good thing or a bad thing, there is no reason to believe that this new seminary is going to model any other seminary.

 

Pope Paige is against any forward thinking when it comes to seminary training. He thinks that everyone should pack up and move to the campus and go to school for three or four years where they can be "influenced" the godly men (of course no women) teaching at the school.

The Carroll Institute is going to be, in concept anyway, a great thing for those interested being prepared for ministry.

 

go2church,
Your "Pope Paige" comment, in my opinion, was mean spirited. The only thing I can pick up from your post is that you disagree with his biblical stance. Could you please explain why you have a problem w/ him -and if you agree with women teaching men theology.

 

Just because someone signs a statement, doesn't mean they will teach in accordance with it. The mods and liberals gloated about signing the Abstract at SBTS and SEBTS and then teaching in apposition, if you will.

The "Pope Paige" comment is out of line. Dr. Patterson was one of the drafters of the Point Clear Accord, which pioneered the SBC seminaries' venture into theological education via the internet. If Paige is so backward, why did he hire minorities while at SEBTS?

I admit, I'm no great fan of Paige. But I am a fan of integrity. It's a shame his critics have to jettison theirs in order to make a point.

 

From the website listed above:

This means "we want our own treehouse. You can't come in if we don't like you."

Wonderful! It will adopt the Philadelphia or LBCF as its doctrinal statement, it will be Calvinistic and teach inerrancy! Where do I sign?

 

Well, let me jump in here...

What a idiotic statement...Do you have any earthly idea how uninformed you must be? Do you have any idea how misguided this opinion is. You may not agree with Patterson... and I dont agree with everythng he says or does...but to accuse him of being basicaly backwards or at least stuck...well you need to get educated my friend. By the way...if you can show us why he is not forward thinking in theological education we would welcome the chance to be enlightened...and I will eat a heapen helpen of crow

 

Only a fool would say this. The type of fool that equates solid fundamental doctrine as non forward thinking.

Jacob.

 

Well, let me jump in here...

What a idiotic statement...Do you have any earthly idea how uninformed you must be? Do you have any idea how misguided this opinion is. You may not agree with Patterson... and I dont agree with everythng he says or does...but to accuse him of being basicaly backwards or at least stuck...well you need to get educated my friend. By the way...if you can show us why he is not forward thinking in theological education we would welcome the chance to be enlightened...and I will eat a heapen helpen of crow </font>[/QUOTE]Any Christian who does the work of God is backward and idiotic. He worships the God who has existed before time began and he is in obedience to the God of antiquity who was before time. Anyone who worships the God who is and make disciples is viewed as stupid by those who are perishing.

Several months I wrote to Dr. Patterson and he answered me with the most helpful advice I could have been given. I don't always agree with his theology but neither do others agree with me.So I must give him grace just as I hope he would me. My theology is based on where I am in my walk with God now. I am still learning. When I look back there are some things that I do not agree with that I once believed either.

 

Well....I Agree...dont know what that has to do with this thread, but I agree

 

Well. seems as though I have touched a bit of a nerve..a fool, idiot, uninformed and out of touch. Can you feel the love!

How about I let Pope Paige speak for himself. Quoted from the Southern Baptist of Texas newspaper called the Southern Baptist Texan dated November 3, 2003, page 2, article titled "SWBTS trustees affirm offering for seminaries".

"When the day comes that you train your cardiac surgeons" and "the United States SEAL team is trained on an extension campus by means of electronic media, then I'm ready to do it in a seminary."

In training students for three years on campus. Patterson envisioned graduating students who "will not fail, will be morally upright, are not ging to embarrass the church of God, will not run off with a secretary or shack up with a counseling victim, and will not abscond with funds." Rather, a Southwestern student should have his "heart sold out to evangellism and world missions," he said. I can't do that by the internet. Nobody can. Let's don't kill the goose that laid the golden egg," Patterson said prompting applause from the trustees.

Seems as though Pope Paige doesn't have much faith in the ability of the local church to train morally upright and missions minded people to serve the kingdom of God.

Now how would you like your crow, baked or chicken fried!?

 

I'd like to know if this new Carroll Institute will affect enrollments, programs, etc, at Truett(Baylor) and Logsdon(Hardin-Simmons) in any way?!?

 

Luther Rice Seminary has been doing the non-residence schooling for about 20 years now. This new school isn't doing anything unheard of and certainly is not innovative.

My prediction is that it is going to be just another theological refugee camp for disgruntled professors. Funny how Texas is full of those (baylor, truett, etc.). Now the disgruntled will fight the disgruntled. Hilarious.

 

That's certainly very dismissive of a school that has not yet revealed its full program or implemented its plan...