Birth control and Christian colleges.

Trusting in God does not equate to having God do everything for us. In trusting God, we must also be careful not to test God.

Certainly, I agree that spiritualy sound married couples should have as many children as they feel God is blessing them with. But that blessings is STRICTLY between them and the Lord. It is not the right of an outsider to tell a family how many or how few children they should have.

Indeed, reproduction can be abused. I years ago knew of a couple who had five children. The couple became unemployed with no income. They eventually were evicted from their apartment. They were homeless, and, get this, WHILE THEY WERE HOMELESS, they purposefully conceived another child. Two of their children had to be hospitalized for malnutrition since then. I think this qualifies as a reasonable example of abusing the gift of procreation.

That's the best response you have in your repertoire????

 

I never said it was overpopulated. My point is: the reason that "be fruitful and multiply" was written no longer exists, as we as a people have successfully multiplied to the point where we have dominion over the earth. It's part of the Old Covenant.

Didn't say otherwise. My point was that foolish people can abuse procreation, despite the fact that children are a blessing.

You imply that couples who regulate the times anf frequency of concieving are not trusting in God, and/or are worrying about it, and/or aren't enjoying life. That's a pretty unsupportable broadbrush.

So was the use of the outhouse. That doesn't make use of the water closet a sin, nor does it mean that people who use flushable toilets are somehow not enjoying life.

 

Sorry Paul but that isn't always the case. I breast fed all 3 of my birth children. I got pregnant with Jon when Erin was only 6 months old. She'd never had a supplemental bottle of even water! I didn't feed her cereal or baby foods either. She sucked her thumb but all my children were fed on demand, day or night. NO crying it out periods, etc. I didn't have a cycle but knew something was going on... and stopped by the doctor's. I continued to nurse her until she was a year old but by then was 6 months pregnant and since my pre-baby weight was 90 lbs. I was getting pretty run down. I switched her to a cup.

 

ORIGINAL POST BY PAUL33:
"Most women who breastfeed on demand, meaning no schedules, bottles, pacifiers, on average will cease ovulating for about 15 months."

DISTORTED POST OF PAUL 33 BY DIANTAVEGIA:
Originally posted by Paul33:
"No bottles, no pacifiers, no formula, no schedules. Just baby and mom together. If practiced, bf on demand results in the supression of ovulation on average 15 months."

When you quote someone, PLEASE do not distort
the FACTS and the TRUTH! In his defense, Paul 33 said: "MOST WOMEN . . . ON AVERAGE" not all women. And glad to hear everything went AOK with your pregnancy for your son Jon!

Bob says:
"Full of really bad and hurtful misinformation. INcluding most of the stuff parrotted on this thread WITHOUT a Scripture basis."

"Mudslinging." Is that the way Truth marches on? NNE here has quoted Dr. Rice. Dr. Bob. I met him once, he was a sincere, God fearing man who was surely not proud of his acheivements. As to his book, I have never read it, just knew that he was opposed to BC.

 

Bob says:
What other verses would be explicit/implicit that I MUST have children?

Come on Bob. You are smarter than that. Several times it has been stated that the amount of children should be up to God, NOT US. If God does not want you to have any, you won't. If God wants you to have 12, you will and HE will provide for them. Must be a week of classes/teaching is settling in! Trust you will have a great weekend.

 

Yep, foxrev... My HUSBAND felt God led him to have a vasectomy after 3 and he did.

 

In Response to Bob:
What other verses would be explicit/implicit that I MUST have children?

Malachi 2:14-15
14. Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15. And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. . Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

[ October 22, 2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: foxrev ]

 

foxrev.... where does that say unlimited babies? I'm 54 in Dec. and still fertile!

 

Dianetavegia:

You owe Paul an apology. Is that the least you could say for misstating his position and misquoting his words?

I trust your husband has no side effects from the vasectomy.

Tubal ligation has proved itself to be almost barbaric to women. The majority of tubal ligations lead to a hysterectomy which in turn, requires a woman to be on synthetic hormones, which are carcinogens. Which leads to more surgery for cancer. A "simple" tube tie, is not really that for our women and it greatly offends me that "Doctors" are indeed harming our ladies in this "simple" procedure. My wife will never have hers tied. Like many other "Procedures" that so-called "modern" medicine has, this appears to be a huge profit maker and all the while it is destroying a womans body.

 

diantavegia:

Well great. You just said that your husband had a vasectomy. So, that means what???

The verses in Malachi are part of the purpose of marriage - to produce a GODLY SEED.

 

Wow, Paul wrote Malachi??? News to me.

Jim has his vasectomy 28 years ago and no problems, thanks tho.

 

Whoops.... Paul33!

I said: Sorry Paul but that isn't always the case. I did NOT misquote and I owe no one an apology.

I gave a true case and cut and pasted his words.

Diane

 

Ok, some of this is getting really ugly, which does NOT glorify God. Maybe your marriage bed is glorifying to Him, but there are other things that are not. Let's be careful.
I am another one who bf on demand and got pregnant while doing so. So, Paul33, glad it works for yall, but having both my children so close together has been pretty difficult. And I would like to see a source for the statistic that 60% of gals taking the pill still do ovulate therefore causing abortions.

 

Dianatavega says:
The point of trusting God in the area of reproduction is to free oneself to live life to the fullest, without worrying about being pregnant or getting pregnant.

This is purely self-indulgent. Being pregnant is not a confining thing. They are the best days of a womans life!