Birth control and Christian colleges.

Maybe you only have two arrows because you're spending too much time out in the woods instead of with your wife!

Personally, I'd rather be with my wife than sitting in a tree somewhere freezing my ...

And as to your "Old Covenant" reference. Dispensationalist!

There is no Scriptural support for viewing children as a burden, either. Trusting God in the area of reproduction doesn't mean that God is required to grant you 19 children.

Enjoyed your thoughts. Now get out of that tree and go spend some time with your wife.

 

Boy, did you turn that one on its head.

Your response shows that you don't get the "theology" behind trusting God in the area of reproduction.

"There are many reasons why a man and his wife might not be in a position to have children." And if they are valid, God is able to withhold his "blessings." But usually they are just "man's" reasons instead of God's will.

If you've never adopted this lifestyle, you have no idea how freeing it is. Free to be who God created us to be, free to walk with him, free to trust him in every area of life, free to be blessed with an abundant life, free to not worry. As opposed to striving to make ends meet, wondering if the car will be big enough, worried about work and pay, worried about promotions, worried about figuring it all out.

Trusting God and enjoying life to the glory of God is just so much more fun!

 

dianetavegia,

Do you really think that God is going to give me 34 kids?

And how many accidents happen in families with two children.

On the news last night was the story of a boy who almost died riding his atv. His parents, doctors, didn't know how dangerous this activity could be!

But if the same accident happens on a farm with 9 children in the family, DHR is called and the children "watched."

You too, keep missing the point. Sexual intercourse doesn't guarantee pregnancy. Trusting God doesn't mean having 34 kids.

BTW, you mentioned breastfeeding on demand doesn't stop ovulation for some. I've been thinking about that and wondering if prescriptions, body chemistry based on diet, etc. might not have something to do with that. There's no way for me to know, but it might be a contributing factor.

Thanks for the thoughts.

 

Pastor Larry,

The bible mentions "pharmakoi" in Revelation 22:15.

Modern translations miss the meaning behind this term. Pharmakoi are the ones practicing drugs or potions. Now put this term in context with the rest of the verse.

Outside are the dogs, those who practice drugs/potions, the sexually immoral, the murderers!

Pharmakia is abortifacient drugs! Outside are those who use abortifacient drugs along with their sexually immoral conduct to avoid the consequences of their actions. They take drugs to murder their own children! They are idolaters of the worst kind, loving themselves above anything else, loving and practicing falsehood.

In contrast to this we have the testimony of Jesus: "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

While you are killing your offspring through pharmaceuticals, I am the Root and Offspring of David! I am alive! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End (22:13).

Now who do you want to emulate? Jesus or the dogs outside?

Who or what do you want to submit to? Jesus or your own understandings (falsehoods)?

I find it very interesting that these verses are found in the last book of the Bible dealing with an age when Jesus will come again! An age of medical technology that will allow us to play the role of God, deciding who lives and dies, deciding when someone is even born!

Satan has done his best to abort the Messiah through genicide of the Hebrews, attempt on Mary's life, attempt on the children of Judah's kings, etc. But he has failed! But that doesn't mean he is going to stop trying to prevent life or destroy life. He is the great deceiver, and if he can get humanity to view conception as something humanity can control, he will do it.

And he will use that attitude to bring about "wanted" and "unwanted" children as well as races of people. Eugenics, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia are all symptoms of that attitude that "birth control" creates in the mind of those who practice it.

Birth control was never condoned throughout church history until the 1930s, when the seed of Darwinism and his cousin's teaching on eugenics, finally found acceptance in the Episcopal church. Soon the "progress of man" spilled over into all of the denominations so that we don't even question the practice of birth control. In fact, we tell those who do, that they aren't using common sense or their minds!

Practicing falsehood without even knowing it! That's where most of the church is today. Why? They don't know their history! They don't understand Revelation 22:15.

[ October 28, 2004, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: Paul33 ]

 

God is the creator and sustainer of life. God wants to bless and heal you.

Satan is the destroyer and withholder of life. Satan wants to curse and afflict you.

If these premises are true, where does "birth control" fit?

 

I knew you would come back with "magic arts" as your lame excuse out.

Magic arts, sorcery, witchcraft all revolved around potions and drugs. Anyone involved with homeopathic remedies can tell you that there are potions that can be made to induce abortion, just like morning after pills of today.

Pharmakia refers to drugs and potions whether used in sorcery or not.

The context is so plain that you have to force yourself to miss it. Potions/sexual immorality/murder. And the very next verse refers to Jesus being the Offspring of David!

Blind as a bat!

As for my last statment and your reply of nonsense. I can tell that you have no first hand experience in the literature of that period.

The blind leading the blind.

 

Around the world today, if Jesus were to return, what would he find? The mindless slaughter of millions every day to the god of self.

What is the number one killer of children today? You got it. The abortifacient birth control pill.

And if that doesn't work, or we just get pregnant with an unwanted child, we pay an abortionist to murder the child. 4 MILLION a year in America alone.

Millions of murders are taking place around the world today in the name of self-idolatry. We have bought the lie of Satan to Eve in the garden. We indeed are like God, granting life here, taking life there, preventing life overthere.

Immorality has sky-rocketed since we severed procreation from the sex act.

Sexual immorality is rampant because there are no consequences to having sex outside of marriage. Use birth control, and if that doesn't work, get an abortion.

And the Christian Church stands by in silence.

But we've done worse than that. We condone in our own marriages the very tool that Satan has used to bring about the murders of millions.

And we say that we are being "wise."

 

Pastor Larry,

My interpretation of the words that you called nonsense are the words of JESUS.

Revelation 22:12-16 are the words of Jesus referencing the fact that he is coming again!

Blessed are those who wash their robes.
Outside are the dogs.