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Rick Warren: 'We're Made for More Than Success'

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by JamieinNH, Dec 17, 2005.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    Rick's own 'Purpose Driven' books are enough evidence. He lifts the flesh more than Christ in those books.
     
  2. Linda64

    Linda64 New Member

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    Here's an interesting article and link about Rick Warren's PDC/PDL

    The Purpose Driven Celebrity
    Rick Warren may well be the most dangerous man in America. He is world -renown for his book, The Purpose Driven Life, and his church, Saddleback Valley Community Church. He is by far the most influential pastor in America. His danger lies in his methodology and his misinterpretation of scripture. Warren is applauded for his church and his book and his work in Africa, but the fundamental question is this....Is Rick Warren even preaching the Gospel??

    "It's a myth that all you need is prayer and dedication to grow a healthy church. Some of the most dedicated prayer warriors I know are pastors of dying churches. It really bothers me that some pastor's conferences promote that myth -- leaving pastors feeling discouraged and guilty instead of encouraged.

    We've all heard speakers claim, "If you'll just pray more, preach the word, and be dedicated, then your church will grow." Well, that's just not true. I can show you thousands of churches where pastors are doctrinally sound; they love the Lord; they're committed and spirit-filled and yet their churches are dying on the vine."
    (Rick Warren Interview, Pastor's.com, August)

    "Everybody knows that Christmas is the idea that God sent Jesus Christ to earth. The big question is, 'So what?' Why did He come? And of course the Bible says, 'He came to, uh, give our past forgiven, a purpose for living and a home in heaven. And that's what this book (The Purpose Driven Life) is about."
    (Rick Warren, "The Bill O'Reilly Show, The Factor," Friday, December 17, 2004)

    Note: no mention of Christ, the cross, or sin.

    The Gospel According to Rick Warren
    http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/A...cles.asp?ID=112
     
  3. Linda64

    Linda64 New Member

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    Continuing with the article in my previous post:

    The Gospel According to Rick Warren
    http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/A...cles.asp?ID=112

    "There are always going to be situations that conspire to shrink your heart and shrivel your spirit...What will sustain you is your spirituality...Remember, there are no unspiritual abilities, just misused ones. I challenge you to start unsing yours for God's pleasure and enjoy the passion you'll find along the way!"
    (Rick Warren, "Live A Passion-Driven Life," Ladies' Home Journal, April 2005, page 36)

    Note: Remember this article is to unbelievers. Any unbeliever in the world could agree with Warren's statement: "What will sustain you is your spirituality." Rick's method of reaching unbelievers is foreign to what is taught in Scripture. Listening to Warren speak of "spirituallity" and "God" sounds like common New Age jargon--And I'm sure any New Ager would agree with Rick's article

    "Using sermon titles that appeal to felt needs isn’t being shallow; it’s being strategic."
    (Rick Warren, "In Planning Appealing Sermon Titles, I Ask Myself Four Questions:")

    "We must be willing to adjust our worship practices when unbelievers are present. God tells us to be sensitive to the hang ups of unbelievers in our services."
    (Rick Warren, quoted in "Church Growth Gone Mad," By Clay Miller, Associate Pastor, Outreach Ministries, Grace Community Church)
    Note: Where does God command us to be sensitive to unbelievers????

    "I think we should let culture determine the worship style (and you know I'm not talking about compromising the truth here). Paul said, "I become all things to all men that I may, in some way, save some." So, if you're in California, you should have a California culture church. If you're in Ohio, you have an Ohio culture church. If you're in Mississippi, you should have a Mississippi culture church."
    (Rick Warren, "Why Do You Gear Your Weekend Services Toward Seekers?")

    "Most pastors do not understand the power of preaching. But even more important than that is they don't understand the purpose of preaching. I probably have the largest library of books on preaching in America. I've read over 500 books on preaching. Maybe some seminary might come close to that, but I am sure that no pastor comes close to 500 books on preaching. And as I've read them, the vast majority do not really understand that preaching is about transformation, not information."
    (Rick Warren, "Purpose-Driven Preaching: an interview with Rick Warren," Pastors.com)

    "Jesus drew large crowds yet he never comprimised the truth. No one accused him of watering down the message except the jealous chief priests, who criticized him out of envy (Mark 15:12). Frankly, I suspect that same ministerial jealousy motivates some today who criticize churches that attract large crowds."
    (Rick Warren, The Purpose Driven Church, page 53)
     
  4. Linda64

    Linda64 New Member

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    The above link does not work--sorry about that--but I do know there is an article about Rick Warren's interview with Ladies Home Journal--I will keep looking.
     
  5. Linda64

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    Ya couldn't do it. That's about what I figured.
     
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    guitarpreacher New Member

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    More of the same. Quoting someone else who's yanking RW quotes out of context to try to prove their pre-conceived opinions. That's what I expected.
     
  8. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

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    I don't know what you are complaining about. I agree with what Rick Warren is saying in the above quote, I'm not sure what you find so disturbing?
     
  9. tinytim

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    I agree with rick also, as a matter of fact our church is starting PDL the 15th of this month.
    We have been using PDC and PD youth for about 4 years now, and have never compromised the Gospel.

    Some are so jealous.
     
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