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Is Singleness A Sin?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Martin, Oct 2, 2005.

  1. Nomad

    Nomad New Member

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    I hope singleness isn't a sin, since I was born single and intend to remain that way for a while. I am committed to being chaste, however (or celibate, depending on which word you want to use). It isn't easy, but contemplating passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 helps.
     
  2. Johnv

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    I was in a hurry, and read this aloud like this: "I am committed to being chased".

    So was I when I was dating :eek: . More power to ya!!!! [​IMG]
     
  3. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    What is wrong with sin?
     
  4. Kiffen

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    Dr Mohler has received heat from these comments in the past. I like Dr. Mohler but I think his comments on this are off base and since he is not a pastor he would do well to let pastors deal with this. I have emailed him before on this and have not received a reply. I know he is busy (Not sure he is as busy as a Pastor) but I also help pay his salary.

    There are Men and Women playing the field but it is also true that many Men and Women are living in a age where potential mates with Christian conviction is getting rare. He would do better to deal with the Divorce rate. Mohler's comments overall I believe show someone who has limited pastoral experience in this area and it would better for a Seminary President to deal with his area of expertise (Theology in which he excels) rather than playing Dr. Phil.
     
  5. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    (Gen 2: 18) God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone.
     
  6. El_Guero

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    And that is the problem. We are living in an age where we do not have conviction, much less conviction of our sin.

    If 100 20 year old singles decide to wait to get married until they are 30, because they do not feel that they are being selfish, then the results will be:

    20 - 30 couples living together. 15 to 20 (couples) more fighting temporary sin. there might be 5 that were actually called by God to be eunuchs.

    I would rather lead 100 singles to risk the 30 - 40% divorce rate that plagues our families, than to lead them to the 70 - 80% sin rate that plagues our singles. (Especially since 20 - 40% of them just live in sin, and that is awfully close to divorce.)

    I have seen not statistical support for waiting after the age of 22 when getting married.
     
  7. Kiffen

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    I do not know of any 20 year old singles waiting to get married until they are 30. It has been shown (Though i do bot have statistical support avalilable) that those who get married later in life have a lower divorce rate.

    There is no Wife Store or Husband Store where a Single can say "Well, I am getting married now". I personaly think Mohler's comments will just put a guilt trip on singles in their later 20's, 30's, 40's.

    Dr Mohler lacks the experience in pastoral ministry to be giving the advice he is given. I know of few Christian singles who are putting off marriage while they play the field or make lots of money. The pressure to get married and have a family is heavy today and most Churches do a poor job to ministering to Singles 25 yrs of age and older. Dr. Mohler only adds to this bashing of older singles as selfish self centered adults.
     
  8. Songbird

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    This thread is ridiculous. I know plenty of single people who are serving the Lord and not engaging in sin. If I was single, I'd be offended. In fact, I am offended for my single friends--who are seeking the Lord for a mate and not marrying the first person that comes along. For the most part, they lead fulfilled lives. When you serve the Lord--single or married, you will be fulfilled.

    I don't regret my single years. I served the Lord in ways I couldn't now as a married woman. I traveled and participated on missions' trips, learned how to manange my money and pay my own bills. I learned job skills and supported myself. I depended on the Lord to meet my needs and I did my part to take care of myself. I know of women who married in their 20's and have no clue how to even balance a checkbook, pay a bill or work. What would they do if something happened to their spouse?

    Like I said before, I am a much better wife in my 40's than I would have been in my 20's. When I got married, I didn't have unrealistic expectations of my dh that some have in their 20's. I hear young married women complain all the time about things like, "why doesn't he help w/the housework?" I respond, "did you ask him?" "No, he should know." "Why doesn't he bring me flowers and gifts." On and on.

    I'm not saying all who marry in their 20's have those expectations--but most do. I learned people are human, things would change after marriage, my dh couldn't be responsible for my happiness, respect my in-laws, if I wanted help I needed to ask, and it doesn't matter how my dh folds towels--what matters is that he folds them!lol

    If I married in my 20's I would be a divorce stat--b/c the person I was dating was not a committed Christian. I'm glad I waited for man of God.

    I repeat, singleness is not the sin. Falling into fornication is.
     
  9. El_Guero

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    mmm ... I am single, in my case, I do not get the gushy feeling about singleness that some of you do.

    What Doctor Mohler says, does not surprise me.

    Maybe God leads me down this path, so that I will notice. I do not know.

    But what I have heard (I actually talk with other singles about this issue), does not make me comfortable about Christians having the gift of singleness.

    I would suggest the book Every Woman's Battle. I could actually suggest a couple of others, but time and money would suggest one book first.
     
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    I am glad that some of you had the gift of singleness ... I don't think it is passed out as much as you imply.
     
  11. Barjonah

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    How many of you who have posted in this thread have actually heard Dr. Mohler speak to this subject? I have. Most (I think ALL, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt) of the criticisms that are written here he addresses.

    His essential point is this: Culture is flying in the face of the biblical mandate which is to marry (unless one has a specific call to singleness) and have children. There is something seriously wrong with a culture that views marriage and parenthood as something less than God's gift of grace. (If you don't believe this view is being propogated, name me one primetime TV show targeting young adults with a young married couple cast in a favorable light--Friends, Seinfeld, Will & Grace)
     
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    Barjonah,

    I have listened to him speak. I was most interested in how Josh Harris referred questions to Dr. Mohler for answering.

    Preach on ...
     
  13. Plain Old Bill

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    I can't believe he did'nt say this tongue in cheek.
     
  14. Pete Richert

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    There is no such thing as a specific call to singleness. Paul says it is better to stay single so you can serve the Lord. Yes, he says "better". Look it up.

    There is no call to singleness. If you can stay single and not burn with passion then you need not marry. "But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry." 1 Corinthians 7:15. "Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin, does well." 1 Corinthians 7:37. Like I said two pages ago, Paul is so abundently clear about this that I simply don't understand why this debate continues. Has anyone actually read 1 Corinthians 7?
     
  15. Martin

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    Since I started this thread I suppose it would not be right for me to abandon the thing :D

    Several things I want to say. These things will be in response to things certain individuals have said and I name the individual. However this is more of a general reply.


    Kiffen stated:
    Mohler's comments overall I believe show someone who has limited pastoral experience in this area and it would better for a Seminary President to deal with his area of expertise (Theology in which he excels) rather than playing Dr. Phil.

    ==Dr Mohler seems to have a hard to sticking to theology. If you ever listen to his radio show, and I do almost everyday on my drive home from work, you will find that he spends most of his time on politics and sociol issues. There is nothing really wrong with that other than the fact that his show bills him as "one of the nations leading theologians" and he is president of The Southern Baptist THEOLOGICAL Seminary. In fact I have become more and more frustrated at his political activism and lack of theologial insight. On his "Ask Anything Wednesday" shows it seems that most callers are talking theology (which is great). However his answers, overall, seem rather general. Even on Wednesdays he spends at least the first 15 minutes on current events/politics. I would challenge Dr Mohler to take one whole month (five days a week, for five weeks) and talk about only theology. I wonder if he can do that? I said I would challenge him to do that however I have emailed him several times on several different issues. I have put much thought and time in those emails only to be ignored (no response, not even from some assitant).

    Dr Mohler has pastored several Southern Baptist Churches, according to his web-site's biography. He seems to have had a good job ever since he graduated from school, he was one of the youngest seminary presidents, and I imagine (speculation alert!) he was married at a young age (21-25). Putting all of this togther it is my opinion that he has no personal experience with being single. Now that certainly does not mean he cannot have views and express them in speeches and writings (fine). However I think it does make him a bit unrealistic about how things really are.

    I am also troubled that his arguments seemed to be based more on sociology than theology. But that could just be the way I am reading/listening to him.

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    Pete said:
    There is no such thing as a specific call to singleness.

    ==This is something that I have not totally settled on. Clearly Scripture teaches that marriage is a gift and singleness is a gift. I would base this on Matthew 19:10-12, 1Cor 7:7-8. So both are clearly gifts. If a person is not married that does not mean they are gifted to be single. The evidence of this would be the lack of moral control (1Cor 7:2,9). However this does not mean that a person with the gift of singleness would not have issues with lust nor does it mean that they would never wish they were married. All of that seems to go beyond Scripture. Rather it seems that those with the gift of singleness simply have the grace of self-control. Now does that mean that there is a specific call to singleness? I don't think so. If one reads 1Cor 7 and Matt 19 carefully one will find that God does not put alot of commands on this. It seems, rather, that He has given us guidlines that we should prayerfully follow. If we do that I think God will show us what His individual plan for our lives is. However if a person marries, even if they have been single for 30 years, they have not sinned (1Cor 7:28) nor have you sinned if you stay single all your life (1Cor 7:32-35).

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    El_Guero said:
    If you have self control, then you should consider not burdening a woman with your lack of drive ... There are a few men that are gifted. You must be one.

    ==Ha, I would not "burden" some poor woman with me anyway. I have lived with myself for some time and know that I can be difficult to live with! [​IMG]

    Seriously though I am single by choice. I am just not "marriage material". This is something most of my friends and family (etc) are just now learning. They have tried to set me up on dates (etc) and I have always (without fail) turned them down. I even had my pastor try to set me up one time :eek: (long story).

    Am I gifted with the gift of singleness? I guess you could say that. Does Dr Mohler's comments bother me? Not personally. However it always bothers me when I hear a respected leader make comments that are either wrong or slightly off the mark mainly on an issue like this (where people's emotions, etc, are involved).

    In Christ,
    Martin.
     
  16. El_Guero

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    Martin

    Well said. Being single, and not feeling that I am given the 'gift of singleness', I try to make certain that I do not push my lack of gifting on those that have the 'gift of singleness'.

    It is always dangerous for the gifted of God to go against their gifting.
     
  17. Johnv

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    The argument of whether there's such thing as s call to singleness aside, there is no biblical mandate to marry. If that were the case, then singlehood would be, at some point, a sin. I can find no scriptural support for this.

    Additionally, I can find no scripture that says single people are not blessed. Paul was single, and he certainly was blessed.

    That's a presumption at best. I can just as easily say that there is something seriously wrong with a culture that views singlhood as something less that God's gift of grace. Again, I point to Paul, who abounded with God's gift of grace.
     
  18. El_Guero

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    John

    Genesis ... God made Eve for Adam and later proclaimed that for this reason a man shall ...

    I do not know if that fits your category of mandate, but it has to be CLOSE ... ;)

    God bless
     
  19. Martin

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    ==There is no mandate, or requirment, to marry in Genesis 2. What happens is that God determines that it is not good for "the man" to be alone (ie..Adam). For this reason God creates Eve. Thus you have a partner for Adam and a means of reproduction of the human race. Certainly in Genesis 2 we do see the establishment of the family as the norm for the human race (ie...marriage: one man one woman for life). However there is no requirment put on every man, or woman, to marry. If that is how we are to define "mandate" here (ie..requirment). If however we are defining "mandate" as the "norm" but not the requirment than we agree.

    Martin.
     
  20. El_Guero

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    Martin,

    That has to be CLOSE ...
     
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