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No, I do take them literally. I just do not believe that Satan materialized in front of them and had a conversation. Jesus is clear that they...
Wrong. I deny the validity of your handling of that verse. I have shown that doing the things that someone has heard from someone else does not...
So, you are saying you do not take the words of scripture literally that these men did the things they “heard” from Satan? Unlike Judas, who had a...
I am taking those words to mean that Satan had influence (the argument was to the contrary). John 8:38 “I speak the things which I have seen with...
John 8:38–44 “I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.” They...
Do you believe these Jewish leaders had a conversation with Satan about killing Jesus? Are you taking these words literally? peace to you
Saying that someone did something that they heard from their father does not necessarily equate to holding that the father actually did the...
I am talking about those men doing the things they heard from Satan. John 8:38–44 “I speak the things which I have seen with My Father;...
This is not true. You are directly rejecting Scripture: John 8:38–44 “I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also...
No. I am saying they were like Satan. That is what it means when Scripture uses "of their father". They were doing what Satan desired. As far...
First paragraph, point #2. “He gave it (His life) willingly. Jesus said He lay down His life by His own authority and took it up again by His own...
Let's work through this (we can see where we agree and disagree). I'll start by listing where I believe you and I agree and disagree, and please...
Again - The Bible states that those Jews were seeking to kill Jesus because they were of their father the Devil. Satan desired to kill Jesus....
Satan was a murderer from the beginning because he caused the fall of Adam and Eve into sin. But he can murder no one or even harm them without...
In John Jesus says that the Jews who were seeking to kill Him were of their father the Devil, doing Satan's will as he was a murderer from the...
According to that text (Acts of the Apostles 2:24, the Jews put him to death by the hands of godless men (presumably the Roman soldiers, according...
@JonC, that is a very good summary of what scripture says. Well stated. Peace to you
To summarize what we know from Scripture: 1. Jesus lay down His own life, it wasn't taken (John 10:18) 2. Satan entered Judas to turn Christ...
Was Jesus murdered by sinners? Yes or no? That is, was Jesus innocent and was he killed by sinners?
Did I say God is not the cause of the sin He allows? Yes, so did I suggest other agents are causal? Yes. Why not address my actual view? Next...