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How can you be so sure that we misunderstanding what the bible teaches and yet you understand it correctly? You have insight and understanding exceeding all Reformers and nearly all Baptist scholars and pastors and teachers?

So all of the reformers and majority of the Baptists are not really saved?

Bowl of wrath was OT prophets term for certain wrath and judge,memt coming in the 'Great Day of the Lord"

Not while he was the sin bearer upon that Cross, as what he feared came to pass, as he felt the isolation of being apart from very presense of God

Leaving aside the question of limited or unlimited atonement, you would affirm that upon the Cross Jesus death was to propiate the wrath of God and divine Judgment due to us for being sinners?

So every reformer and Baptist until you now misunderstood the atonement of Christ then? Saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone would be the Baptist, and more importantly, the bible statement on how to get saved Who and where did you get this understanding, as very few in the past...

If there was no shedding of His blood for atonement of sins, repenting would save none , as there MUST be an objective basis provided in order to have a Holy God able to forgive sins

And which viewpoint would you agree with here the most? https://www.crossway.org/articles/10-theories-of-the-atonement/?srsltid=AfmBOoq-VMszzLwbQo6InFcVSIIaf5uGjeKOJEnEekImTledKI2aaKkN

God never saved any lost sinner due to their repenting, its based upon the Cross of Christ and His atonement provided for them there, period I hold to the reformed and baptist teaching regardi ng the Atonement of Christ, and would say VERY biblical It refers to how a sinner can get saved and...

The one doctrine that had no biblcal support would be annihilation

God told us that Jesus was the lamb of God, who came to bear the very sins of the world correct?

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, and as part of that, Jesus took upon Himself that dread bowl of wrath the father had been storing up against our sin

You keep on rejecting clear passages that affirm Pst though

Have you not already though judged PST as being a pagan concept, and that would not be fair to have Jesus suffer due to our sins, as he committed none? That Jesus died due to the world system, and evil in world, and not due to God the father directly causing that to happen?

There will be degrees of judgement in the eternal state

That passage refers to one getting the capital crime punishment just because their daddy had done something worth it, but we indeed ALl deserved Capital punishment, and Jesus took our place in order to take the wrath and judgement of God the fathers for our sins so that we would not have to bear...

We have repeatenly given to you scriptures that address all of your requests here, but you just keep on saying we hold to man made theology and using human authors and not the scriptures

My Pst viewpoint has thr support of reformed Calvinist and many Non Cal Baptists, and more importantly, explains best Pauline Justification of the Bible We have provided to JonC many scriptures regrading what he has asked for to support our viewpoints, but he just addessing them all as not...

Have to tie that into John chapter 1 and Romans 8 though

Not my complaint, its that the PST is just as valid as your valid, and in many biblical reasons superior to it, better in regards to Pauline Justification