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  1. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Hi, everyone. I am now reminded why I quit posting in this particular BB forum. I got tired of people misinterpreting what I write, putting words into my mouth, and accusing me of things I've never said or done. I'll try to hang in there on this thread, since I started it, but right now I'm...
  2. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    This is absolute baloney. Nothing you said in that paragraph is "my "stated goal." I have not said any of this. Come on, please "judge righteous judgment" and don't make up things you think I have said. Are you kidding me? Look at the particular forum this is in. I'm doing theology here--I...
  3. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Irrelevant to the OP. This concept is totally foreign to anything I have said in this thread. I don't believe in some "spiritual" resurrection, which would actually not be a resurrection. Absolutely true. So what? Are you accusing me of putting my experience over the Scriptures? Yes he did...
  4. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    This is a false dichotomy. It's not "either or." We believe, God saves. Great Scriptures. I love the Word. This looks like you are trying to turn my thread into a Cal. vs. Arm. thread. Please don't do that. The thread is about the content of the Gospel message, which should be the same for...
  5. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    I believe God already did that in the Bible. If He did not, that would be a huge divine oversight! I was a missionary for 33 years, and you don't think God told me in His Word how to be a missionary???
  6. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Yeah, I've seen those discussions and have avoided them. The Bible says, "Christ died for our sins...." For this thread I see no profit in getting into the whole Penal Substitution argument. And I make no judgment about "all those people are going to hell." That is not what this thread is...
  7. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    So let me ask this in keeping with the OP. I was a missionary to Japan for 33 years. In accordance with what I believe the Gospel is, I witnessed to 100s of Japanese over the years, perhaps 1000s, and saw many folks profess Christ. According to your view, if I did not preach the burial of...
  8. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Well, from my perspective, if people do not have to believe that Christ died for their sins, my 33 years as a missionary to Japan were wasted. I went there to proclaim Christ, and did so for all of those years. But hey, if I didn't have to I could have stayed back in the homeland, made money...
  9. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    This is confusing. So do you believe a person is saved without believing? Indubitably. Most scholars believe he was there three years, and the Gospel was revealed to him along with other theology.
  10. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Okay. Thanks for participating in the thread. Sorry you did not see fit to interact with what I actually wrote in Post #63, but decided instead to lecture me.
  11. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Good points. But I have to point out that Romans only has one mention, and it is specifically about baptism, not salvation. If I had said, "Buried in connection with salvation," I would have been correct. There is also one similar mention in Col. 2:12 about baptism. But nothing in either book...
  12. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    So, was it human hubris (is there any other kind?) for Paul to insist on the correct Gospel, saying that someone with "any other Gospel" was "accurse"? Hubris: "excessive pride or self-confidence." (hubris definition - Google Search) It is a serious charge to say someone insisting on getting...
  13. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Who said this? I certainly did not. The question is not what the Holy Spirit is able to do, but what He chooses to do. Absolutely. We are commanded in the Great Commission to give the Gospel, not our opinion. I don't teach or preach this. 1. I never said it was a process. It is not. 2. The OP...
  14. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Our pattern for how we present the Gospel must be the book of Acts. Where in Acts did anyone say that Christ was buried? Five times Acts mentions other people being buried, but not Christ. Paul mentions the Gospel 13 times in Romans, but never once mentions the burial or the witnesses. Paul...
  15. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    The answer is "yes." God saves, but He saves through the truth of the Gospel. If you leave out the content of the message, no one will get saved. 1 Cor. 15:1 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By...
  16. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    You do have a point here, if you will elaborate it. There is a real sense in which the message is Christ Himself. However, does that relate to the OP? Is the resurrection therefore moot?
  17. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    The aorist indicates the action as a whole. I think it is the semantics here that is important, not the syntax. In this case I believe it clearly refers to water baptism. The term used with the Holy Spirit in the context is "filled," not "baptized."
  18. John of Japan

    Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

    Good thoughts. Why could it be "an exercise in human hubris" to want to know exactly what to tell others when you witness about Christ?? I consider it good soteriology. I consider evangelism to be the laboratory for soteriology. Witnessing for Christ forces us to think through the message.
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