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God bases His election towards us who will be found in Jesus per His good will and pleasure, and then He predestines us due to our election in Christ, so 2 separate processes here, and diagreement would be on just what basis did God rest His election onm?

So to understand what you are stating here, and thanks for the clarification JonC, is that while were were sinners and under the judgement of God for those sins, God decided to save us based upon our repenting and he then made us saved and brand new creatures now in Christ, and forgive our past...

So we would disagree if Jesus tok wrath of God due to us when sinners , but what fo you mean when saved we no longer have prior dins Hod has to deal with or am I misunderstanding you?

manmade as in what Jesus and his Apostles held and taught?

Have w quoted to you and fellow posters several times scriptures, yet keep being said to be not truth of the word, just philosophy

It is beyond our minds to fully understand how one as the sin bearer can become sin for us, to be treated by Holy God the Father as Chief sinner, and yet still remain sinless Himself

Already can hear "taint so"

That is the mystery and Paradox, as Jesus before the Father had to be treated as if was literally sin incarnated, yet all of time stayed sinless and Holy

The Holy Spirit himself regenerates the elect of God unto salvation, as we need to have Him grant to us a new heart and mind in order to receive Jesus as Lord thru gift of faith

Elect based upon the will of God, not His foreknowledge

He would by his own logic have to throw away then the Kjv

No bible translation would be perfect, but all 3 Persons of the trinity certainly are perfect

You seem to be agreeing with that person who equated Holy Spirit is the bible

Agreed, as some would hold to heresy of baptismal regeneration, sacramental gracing, or good works plus faith saves us

You did, when you stated Jesus did not suffer the wrath of God for our sins

The Psa atonement view is though the majority among reformed, Baptist, both calvinist and non , and among evangelical armianists

For we still have to deal with God regarding our past sins before he will be able to feely justify us and declare us now to be clothed in the righteousness of Christ

A more biblical view on the Atonement

JonC must have overlooked these OT passages then The "OT cup of wrath" is a biblical metaphor, primarily from the Old Testament, that symbolizes the fullness of God's judgment and punishment for sin. It represents the wrath poured out on a sinful nation or individual, and it is often depicted as...

He is dead wrong, as the Holy Spirit authored thru those men the word of God, but that would not be God Himself