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Yea, I guess we have a problem. I see the contemporary gospel music as a money market, not worship of God in Spirit and Truth. You see it as you will, and worship as you will, but I'll have no part in it.

I don't like the rock beat. We are a product of changing culture and some of us will not cross those boundaries. All I can say to answer your question is that the rock beat and sound is a turn off to me as far as worship of our Lord. Rock music, that general sound came out about time of my...

Yep, the rock beat! I'm from the old school and that video is not acceptable for me, Jon. I can't worship the Lord in Spirit to that!

I don't know if the early Christians had anything that could be compared to the rock beat we have today that is filling the Churches. What I do know is that I don't like it, and I don't believe for one moment the rock beat is satisfying and acceptable to the Holy Spirit. It's just one of...

He doesn't go as far as the apostle Paul in calling out sin and names before the whole Church. I would say the majority of Churches today will not even point out the sin that could take place in the list you've posted.

Our pastor preaches the Word and if he steps on your toes, oh well, it wasn't intentional. The problem is very few can find their toes stepped on.

Where did I say it was evil? It's separation from the ways of the world, long hair, those cute facial hair designs, etc. It wasn't just Israel that God called out to be a peculiar people. We believers are different in the way we dress, the way we talk, the things we do. If that is not...

No one tells any more jokes that our pastor. But he is very serious and so is the congregation on separation from the world in all forms. Not isolation, but a definite separation. The Church must have a noticeable difference from the world.

Hey @JonC When we say we're IFB we mean it. No deacons or assistants in taking up offerings in Church with a go-tee or any style of partial facial hair.

Yes, they can be used properly, but most often not. That rock beat finds its way into worship, and we ain't gonna tolerate that!

Musical instruments are like a firearm, harmless on their own until man take it in hand.

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Our pastor will not allow the rock beat to enter into our worship service, period. It doesn't happen overnight, it creeps in and he so to speak, nips it in the bud. If you like the different instruments then go for it, we will not allow that to become a problem in our Church.

What I'm saying that musicians express themselves through the instrument. If no instrument is there the expression is not there that represents the world.

Not if they're played by the bars in the hymnal book. Guitars and drums create a rock atmosphere in any case.

I can understand what you're saying by some instruments. Some whether intentional or not introduce a rock beat to the music. Our Church only uses a piano and organ, the rock producing instruments are not allowed.

We won't agree on this, Ken, I'm not a Calvinist, but I do believe you are half right, if there is such a thing. Paul made it clear in Rom. 10:17 that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The faith to believe is in the hearing of the Word of God. It's from no other source but...

Glad to see you back!

I can understand why a Calvinist believes salvation cannot be lost, from the beginning they believe God makes the choice. What I can't understand is the one who believes in free will to choose to believe the Gospel but yet once they believe they no longer have that free will to depart from the...

It's truly sad that he's so confused on the Atonement. You would think it nearly impossible for this to happen but the false teachings he has received knows no bounds.