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The Gospel was no mystery to the Israelites in the wilderness, Paul said the Gospel was preached to us as well as them. But the Gospel had no effect on them not mixing it with faith when they heard it. The same as today.

The Scripture says to call on God when He is near, while He may be found. That is when the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart of man when he hears the Gospel.

This goes back to the question of where does saving faith come from? It comes from the hearing of the Gospel as Paul said, if we accept that Gospel.

The only way that man can call on God for salvation is through the hearing of the Gospel. Then after hearing the Gospel man can accept or reject that calling. I agree with the Calvinists that man is totally depraved but not in their doctrine of what it means to them.

It's not God's will that any perish, so I would agree God seeks out all for salvation. But man can reject that salvation. That's a good point, Ben!

That's the way I see it, God seeks after who wil believe Him. Along the way those who will not believe also hear the Gospel as witness againast them.

You may not like it Van, but the Calvinists are correct on total depravity. Rom. 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable...

Calvinism is a subject I've tried lately to let go and need to let go. But it's hard to do, I can feel the brotherhood in their strong stands and firm faith in the Lord. How they came to that faith according to their doctrine grieves my spirit. How we can be so close and yet so far apart is...

Yes, I agree! My admiration of the Calvinist standing firm on salvation is all of the Lord ends at that point. Along with you, how man comes accept salvation is where I draw the line.

I think I didn't understand your initial post where you said "this can't be true" But then again I have been having severe vertigo with head spinning and feeling drunk for sometime now. I've made several mistakes lately and I'm not sure my perception is working.

I f true repentance and faith takes hold in the heart of man there will be a complete turn around. Man now see's things God's way.

Repentance is the same. It's not a lifetime of works to keep your salvation as the Catholics would say. Repentance is an act in the heart of man just as faith.

Is believing the Gospel a work on the part of man? Paul makes it perfectly clear that our salvation is apart from works. Salvation is of Grace through faith, or the opposite by works. It cannot be both. I submit that works is the very opposite of the grace that saves us.

This explanation would fall back on what I've always admired in the Calvinists. salvation is all of the Lord's work.

I've always taken "being spiritually dead" referring to unable to seek God on our own ability, but when the Holy Spirit makes the Gospel real in the heart of the person through the hearing of the Gospel, then man is able to reach out to God and seek Him.

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Prov. 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." By far the most used version of the Bible when I was coming up in Church was the KJV. It had been that way since this country (USA) was founded. I followed a long line of kids being taught...

K, that was a challenge for you to prove it is Biblical, good luck!

@easternstar It's a double whammy on me, not only did I misread your post, it wasn't even sent to me. So it's confirmed I'm losing it.

If we just examine ourselves from time to time whether we are in the faith, as Paul said, we have nothing to worry about.