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  1. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    "ALL THINGS" either means ALL THINGS or it is NOT ALL things. You are claiming NOT ALL THINGS by rejecting the "ALL" of ALL THINGS. I cannot fix that for you. Your unbelief is above my pay grade.
  2. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    So that would be a "Yes, BE ESTABLISHED and ALL HIS GOOD PLEASURE and ALL THINGS and UNCHANGEABLE really mean NOT established, NOT what God wants, NOT all things, and NOT unchangeable." Got it. :Thumbsup
  3. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Not at all. Isaiah 46:9-10 … Will God’s plan BE ESTABLISHED? Will God accomplish ALL HIS GOOD PLEASURE? [A simple ‘yes‘ or ‘no’ will do.] Ephesians 1:11 … Does God work ALL THINGS according to His will? [A simple ‘yes‘ or ‘no’ will do.] Hebrews 6:17 … Is God’s purpose UNCHANGEABLE? [A simple...
  4. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Isaiah 46:9-10 [NASB] "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; [I am] God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My plan will be established, And I will accomplish all...
  5. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    I am beating a dead horse at this point, but the “A” & “B” analogy was about God creating Adam (not all people) and was created to address the specific question about whether God created Adam predestined to sin. It does NOT apply to all people (we are not a specific act of divine creation like...
  6. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Just for the record, does your God decide who to save? [Does Ephesians 2:8-9 apply to your God or just the “Calvinist” God?] Did your God create them both or is only the “Calvinist” God the great creator? Does your God send people to hell, or is that only the “Calvinist” God that condemns...
  7. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    ”For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel”. (Who said that?) “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.” (Who said that?)
  8. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Yes, in theory. In reality, we know that Adam DID SIN. The fact that Adam DID means that Adam COULD [it is self evident that if Adam “could not” sin, then there would have been no fall]. Therefore, the only real alternative to what DID HAPPEN (Adam COULD and DID sin) would be for God to...
  9. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    List all the people that “can sin” but “does not” … does the fact that ZERO people achieve the Pelagian ideal say something about “Option C”? That’s Total Sanctification, which most Christians admit cannot be achieved this side of “glorification”. But If you claim that you no longer sin, who am...
  10. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Humanity is not the issue. I jumped in on a debate over whether God MADE Adam sin and was pointing out that God had only 2 possibilities for Adam … Adam was created so that he COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT fall, or Adam was created so that Adam COULD AND WOULD fall. From there, we examine what...
  11. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    It was an analogy for God creating mankind (Adam). There are only two possibilities: Option A: Man (Adam) can not and will not sin. Option B: Man (Adam) can and will sin. From there, we explore the consequences of each “option”: Option A: Adam knows obedience, but not grace. Option B: Adam...
  12. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    The person that asked the question. When you ask a question, you are free to ask whatever question YOU choose. If I answer a question that you did not ask, then I have not answered your question and you are right to say so. When you respond to my question by answering a question that I did not...
  13. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    OK. Option A is God creating mankind that can not or will not sin, which results in Adam and Eve and their descendants living in Eden forever as obedient creatures that know God loves them because they always obey (just like the angels that did not rebel or the stars in the sky that obey the...
  14. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    That was not an option, so you have avoided the question and missed the point. Feel free to answer the question that was asked if you really want to discuss the point.
  15. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    You didn’t even try. You have it within YOUR POWER to have either the child of natural disposition Option A or Option B (there is no “forced” anything). Which would YOU choose and why? (answer the question that I asked before you request more information from me).
  16. atpollard

    Jesus Christ - God Incarnate - Lamb of God ... ALWAYS the plan, or just a patch after the fall?

    Imagine that you are a parent and, as a parent, you are somehow granted a “wish”: Option A: You can have a child that always obeys, but believes that you only love them because they are obedient. Option B: You can have a child that stubbornly rebels, but knows that you love them in spite of...
  17. atpollard

    Who wrote the gospels

    Nope … watched and listened and found the arguments not compelling. I enjoyed the first Harry Potter book, but don’t imagine myself willing to be tortured to death rather than deny that it is 100% true. So I am no expert in Mediterranean Literary History, but I have a “boatload” of credits in...
  18. atpollard

    Key figure in SBC 'Conservative Resurgence' turns Roman Catholic!

    He is not wrong about this … even a symbolic ordinance needs to be treated with respect, and taking a pre-packaged juice and cracker to eat at home as service closes is not what Jesus had in mind or the early saints shared “in remembrance”. The sacred has become insignificant in too many...
  19. atpollard

    God Wants to Deliver Us from the Evil Instrumental Music of This Present Evil World

    We're filled with emptiness Re-living our mistakes Why are you so afraid? We never were alone Yeah! We're filled with emptiness (Failure) Re-living our mistakes (Why) Why are you so afraid? (Alone) We never were alone Yeah! Selfish anger now plagued with a thought Our lives or nothing else...
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