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LBCF/WCF God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass (Institutes III.16.8): we hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, he...

I reject the TULIP/DoG because they are not biblical no matter how much you wish they were ZA. The reason we reject them is not because we do not know them ZA it is because we do.

I don't see anywhere in the bible of men trusting in Jesus because of the TULIP/DoG

True statement, God by His grace saves those that have freely trusted in Him.

I know this will sound strange to you but Jesus is God and He can and does draw people to Himself through various means. Strange that a calvinist would question whether God can save whomever He wants and how He wants. Are you not the ones that tout the TULIP/DoG? Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL...

We do not believe the DoG/TULIP which the majority of Christians rightly reject as it is not a biblical view. That so many people would follow the, DoG/TULIP, a man-made philosophy is strange indeed.

The belief that God determines all events, including every human action and thought. Do you really think that either view is uplifting the body of Christ ZA? Look at the divisions that have come about because people become tribal and develop an us against them world view. Of course I can...

They mormon's believe they can become gods. Not Christian. Same for JW's and a few others. Well since calvinism denies clear scripture are you suggesting that calvinists are not Christian?

That is where we will find God. Problem is that some think they have to correct the Holy Spirit.

Do some research ZA. You will find that the church has moved back and forth between a deterministic and liberal view. We saw that as a move from liberalism and we see that happening now as a reaction to determinism. Both views have caused harm to the body of Christ. Both views came about...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE...

The comparison is lost when you make God's creation look so dismal that just a bit of sunshine would seem glorious.

We have seen in history the ebb and flow between the hard of determinism and the soft of liberalism I only hope that we can come to a biblical grounding. Only time will tell. Some approach these discussion as a contest that has to be won. That is not how I approach it and I hope that is not how...

What a depressing why for a Child of God to look at His creation. I am in awe when I look at a sunset or the flight of a bird or a 1000 other things that God has provided just for our enjoyment I truly feel sorry for the Christian that sees life as Philpot did.

Still no response from you rebutting that the basis of calvinism is pagan philosophy. You can deny the truth but that does not change the truth ZA. Since you are so sure it is not true then where is your proof that what I said is wrong?

Glad you feel that way but what we see as the norm in scripture is that men respond to the gospel message and turn to God in faith. That is not saving themselves but rather trusting in the one that can save them. 1] Man is a sinner but not so bad that they can't respond to the drawing of God...

Actually the majority of Christians believe this ZA.

You are funny ZA. You actually believe that you have the ability to make reasoned arguments. IF you are so sure that your man-made religion is not based on pagan philosophy then do the hard work and prove it. We know from history that augustine brought pagan teachings into the church so you...

Then whatever church you were attending must have had quite a bit of calvinist religion in there teaching.

Oh I forgot I do not have my Calvi dictionary on hand. See there is just another of your many failures ZA. You keep reading your religion into the bible rather than get your theology from the bible. You are under the delusion that calvinism is the standard by which the word of God should be...