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Greetings JD. Hope and peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ For transparency, I am not a Calvinist. But I do believe that when one is actually saved, reborn of spirit, made anew, that one will not and cannot lose that salvation. The question for me is, when is that particular individual...

I understand your frustration so let me answer directly about the non biblical doctrine of "perseverance of the saints." It, like the other 4 points of the acrostic, is false doctrine. Perseverance implies effort on behalf of the saint. This makes no sense in light of unconditional election and...

Greetings Indeed you have. I have taken your thorough response, that doesn't appear to have a direct answer, to suggest that you hold that... once one is 'born again' spiritually then one cannot be then 'unborn' spiritually. Therefore, once one is saved one will always be saved. As a...

The concept of Hell is a construct of confused translation. The Bible uses the term Sheol as the abode of the dead, and based on context, sometimes refers to place where the body undergoes decay, i.e. a grave, and sometimes a place where our disembodied spirits go following physical death. The...

That's a tough way to lay it out with 2 types of believes. There are some good arguments for both sides. If it's true faith in Christ it only takes a faith the size of a grain of mustard seed. Some will have a stronger faith than others and some will produce fruit 30, 60, and 90, but they are...

The topic that has generated the OP title is that of OSAS vs you can loose your salvation. For transparency, I believe in OSAS but the loose your salvation camp has some good points, imo. I'll start this presentation with James' dichotomy of two types of believers and then expand from there...

If once saved - can again be lost? It's not about "losing" anything. It's about your ever-present free will choice and hence your ever-present option to turn aside. "Eternal Security" is also known as "once saved always saved," or "perseverance of the saints." In other words, once someone...

Yes I know you are stonewalling Van. When you finally deal with the words in Luke 8:13-14 rather than ignoring them then perhaps you will see what the Holy Spirit said. You hold to your OSAS view but have yet to provide any clear text that supports it. Reading into the text what you want to...

Van you continue to make illogical comments. You have yet to address Luke 8:13-14 the two soils. All I get from you is your opinion. Your OSAS view is clouding your thinking. You are ignoring the words of God and adding your own words to the text. Since when did you become the arbiter of...

On and on, denial after denial. Is the issue whether Soil #2 believed? Nope, but this poster makes the false claim. The issue is belief does not automatically result in salvation. Demons believe. But the love of God does not control them. What does john 3:15 say? It says everyone who...

If their belief was not credited for righteousness what did they fall away from?

But that is not what Luke 8:13 says Van. You are adding your own personal views to the text. So we will leave it at that.

That is what I said. Here is my quote: Soil #2, Luke 8:13 believed superficially but that belief was NOT credited as righteousness, and therefore was NOT transferred into Christ, was NOT born anew, and Jesus never knew him.

I get the feeling that we are talking past each other here, so I will offer "no comment" and just let that point die. I assume you mean in the commentary on the soils, (in which case I agree and thought I was making that clear) rather than post #93 (which offers far more than just my opinion)...

Now that is just pure speculation on your part Van. The text is clear in Luke 8:13 soil#2 believed. Do you have a different meaning for the word. The same Greek word G4100 is used in Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become...

Yes I read your post #93 and dealt with it in post #94 What you have given is your opinion @atpollard. You say that Luke 8:13-14 soils were not really saved and I say they were as that is what scripture shows us. For you to deny their salvation is to give another meaning to the word believe...

It seems to me that I read they believed for a while and fell away. Did I read that wrong?

Soil #2, Luke 8:13 believed superficially but that belief was NOT credited as righteousness, and therefore was NOT transferred into Christ, was NOT born anew, and Jesus never knew him. To repeat, believing in Christ does NOT automatically save a person. See Matthew 7 and consider those that...

Van, what do you make of what Christ said in Luke 8:13? "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."

1) There is absolutely no evidence Soils 2 ans 3 of Matthew 13 were saved. 2) You claim when a person professes belief, God "must" save them, thus automatic. 3) Abraham's faith was credited as righteousness, Abraham was not credited as righteousness 4) Yes, Soil #2 did "believe"...